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Time for a true gutting of the team this offseason.

Shad

Shad

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Here's a start. Get 2 point guards that will play 70+ games a year at least. If we can trade Exum, that'd be great too.

Sign someone at the 4 or trade Favors for a stretch 4.

Hope that Gobert learns 1 offensive move in his entire career.

Ingles has REALLY fallen off since the start of the season which is concerning.

Basically, anyone should be free game except Donovan or Gobert. That's including Ingles.
 
Shad said:
nBasically, anyone should be free game except Donovan or Gobert. That's including Ingles.
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What a terrible take. I miss the neg button sometimes. You don't gut a 48-50 win team. We need one more piece and more reliable scoring from the bench. And Ingles is essential to this team. Fallen off? He is not as efficient shooting the ball this season because he's been carrying a huge load (rather than spotting up in the corners like in previous seasons), becoming our de facto PG due to injuries to Rubio & Exum. He is the best player at running the pick n roll on our team and getting open looks for our bigs. Perfect as your 4th or 5th best player. On the other hand, sure, our PG obviously need to be addressed.
 
latin jazz said:
What a terrible take. I miss the neg button sometimes. You don't gut a 48-50 win team. We need one more piece and more reliable scoring from the bench. And Ingles is essential to this team. Fallen off? He is not as efficient shooting the ball this season because he's been carrying a huge load (rather than spotting up in the corners like in previous seasons), becoming our de facto PG due to injuries to Rubio & Exum. He is the best player at running the pick n roll on our team and getting open looks for our bigs. Perfect as your 4th or 5th best player. On the other hand, sure, our PG obviously need to be addressed.
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Take Mitchell and Rudy away and this team is right there with Phoenix, maybe worse.
 
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Stoked said:
Hahaha. Jesus Christ. So you’re telling me that if you take the Stars off a team than that team isn’t very good?

Jesus...who knew?
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That's what they call a fresh take my friend.
 
Ingles is getting up there in age too, and can't be relied on to continue to produce at a high level all season long going forward. The Jazz are in desperate need for a second playmaking scorer. Wish we can get Kemba Walker or something.
 
Stoked said:
So again, everyone but the stars are expendable. That goes for every single team.

Duh.
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The thread is about "gutting the team". The guy I qouted specifically said "And Ingles is essential to this team" meaning he isn't expendable. I disagreed in a way meant to point out that we only have 2 players that are vital to our success I think every single player besides DM and Gobert are expendable. It wasn't a difficult concept dude.
 
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JazzyFresh said:
I'm saying every single player besides these two are 100% expendable.

Duh
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The only reason I put Rudy in the non-expendable category is he likes Utah and playing for Quin. He's come up short in some very key games. I'm not sure he's worth $25m (and likely $30m+ in a few years).

Jazz have to do better at the 1,3 and 4. And Ingles is too old to be getting the minutes he does. I think Dennis and Quin are asking him to do too much.

Utah has 2 starters and 10 backups and 3 garbage players on the roster. It's time for Dennis to decide whether the Jazz are going to compete or whether the franchise is all about maximizing profits. What a wasted season. So many players were signing 1yr deals while Dennis sat on his fat arse. How do you get paid for just adding Niang and Allen to the roster?
 
Jack Strop said:
The only reason I put Rudy in the non-expendable category is he likes Utah and playing for Quin. He's come up short in some very key games. I'm not sure he's worth $25m (and likely $30m+ in a few years).

Jazz have to do better at the 1,3 and 5. Ingles is too old to be getting the minutes he does. I think Dennis and Quin are asking him to do too much.

Utah has 2 starters and 10 backups and 3 garbage players on the roster. It's time for Dennis to decide whether the Jazz are going to compete or whether the franchise is all about maximizing profits. What a wasted season. So many players were signing 1yr deals while Dennis sat on his fat arse. How do you get paid for just adding Niang and Allen to the roster?
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Ingles definitely still has a place IMO but like you said his place isn't being the third best scorer and often second most used player on offense. He like everybody else needs help and Joe specifically needs someone better than him. Joe should be our 4th best player but right now he's our only real scoring threat behind DM. It's unfair to everyone Imo.

To my point about players being expendable, I think for the right move we could lose or possibly improve Ingles, Exum, Favors, and or Crowder. At some point we may have to make a sacrifice.
 
fishonjazz said:
And korver but your point still stands

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Forgot Korver. Minor move given he's on his last legs.

Agree, jazzyfresh. But Ingles is too popular to go. Favs and Bricky are on the way out if Lindsey can find any sort of free agents. Crowder is "meh" in my opinion. He's got value at his current price, but not for very much higher. I just hope Dante can stay healthy enough to be a trade piece.
 
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