Time for a true gutting of the team this offseason.

Discussion in 'Utah Jazz' started by Shad, Mar 11, 2019.

  1. Xthren

    Xthren Well-Known Member

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    If the jazz could convince tobias Harris to sign in Utah would be the solution we need period.

    Jazz also need a back court running mate for Mitchell. The problem is all the jazz money this summer would go to harris.

    Draft would be the likely place but since the NBA has free agency backwards and has the draft first it will be tough.

    If the jazz cant get Harris maybe a 2 for could like

    Guards - with Mitchell at point
    Green ?
    Korkmaz
    Hezonja (maybe not)
    Kcp
    Bullock
    Temple
    Matthews

    Guards with Mitchell at sg

    Russell might be expensive
    Brogdon way expensive
    Joseph
    Teague
    Beverley my pick

    With a stretch big

    Ariza
    Dekker
    Barnes would be expensive
    Bogdonovic
    Gay
    Parker
    Randle
    Portis
    Powell
    Mirotic
    Aminu
    Morris
    Young
    Mbah a moute
    Williams




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  2. Jack Strop

    Jack Strop Well-Known Member

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    In an interview fron 3/8.
    Rudy Gobert: "I just keep wondering, 'What else am I supposed to do?'"


    How about stop whining and crying a grow a pair? Geez, you get pushed around like a little kid and you can't shoot from over 5 ft. And you have hands of stone. It's just embarrassing to see you try to make any kind of move inside. You have to be spoon-fed as you're rolling to the hoop, with the ball delivered head high.. Anything else and it's 90% you won't be able to do a thing except pass it back out or turn it over.

    Stop traveling this summer with Raul and dedicate yourself to getting better. You're like AK after he signed HIS big deal. He just stopped improving.
     
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  3. jom2003

    jom2003 Well-Known Member

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    Let's be honest here, Korver is simply too old to be our primary shooter on the perimeter. His work takes legs, young legs.
     
  4. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Actually the funniest thing is in this thread you say you got crucified for asking for him to develop an offensive move. In the thread you linked to you jump all over Rudy's **** because he tries to post someone up (you know, using an offensive move) instead of just dunking it. You need to get your story straight. Do you want him to "beast mode" dunk it (your words) or develop a post move? But I guess either way you can play the victim card, which seems to be what you really want.
     
  5. Kyoto

    Kyoto Well-Known Member

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    You said, "many of us have been saying this (rudy getting an offensive move) for years". I just posted this saying that there are more than a few people on this board who think that he doesn't need to develop an offensive game.
     
  6. LogGrad98

    LogGrad98 Well-Known Member Contributor

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    Yes. that fits with the idea that many of us feel like he should develop an offensive move and there are those who don't. That's why neither of us said all. Although you strongly implied that the only response you got for anything was to the negative. You're obviously just not paying attention. also the negative response you got in the thread that you linked to had nothing to do with him developing an offensive move, but everything to do with the fact that you tried to claim that he was a terrible offensive player when the stats prove otherwise. again if you want to play fast and loose with the facts that your choice I guess. Still seems like you're trying very hard to play the victim card.
     
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  7. Kyoto

    Kyoto Well-Known Member

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    Weird, the link must have sent you to a different thread, or you didn't actually go through what people were saying. I'm not getting into that again, I've said everything I wanted to say in that thread.

    There were PLENTY of people saying that all the offense Gobert needs is putbacks and lobs.

    I sent you the link just showing you that there are some people on this board who thinks Goberts offense is fine. I'm not going to get into another debate.
     
  8. Jingled

    Jingled Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    This team definitely needs to add more talent, especially at the offensive end. I honestly don't think it's going to be easy to do though. If we're being honest we aren't going to attract any top tier or likely even second tier free agents. We also don't really have many trade assets at all. Dennis Lindsey definitely has his work cut out for him.
     
  9. latin jazz

    latin jazz Well-Known Member

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    Did I question the importance of Rudy & DM? Nope. Yet, the complementary pieces around them are pretty good, particularly Ingles. One third piece and better scoring from the bench and we are good to go.
     
  10. Sandman822

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    Milwaukee essentially went under an entire cultural rebuild over the offseason with the signing of Coach Bud and clearing out of the Jason Kidd staff. There's a whole lot more to the Bucks success than signing a couple of good role players in the offseason, Coach Bud should be COTY and I firmly believe that if they had him in last years playoffs instead of their interim coach running the skeleton version of Kidd's weird schemes they knock off the Celtics in the 1st round, even with Bledsoe playing poorly.

    Jazz have a solid two man core of Mitchell and Gobert but really lack the 3rd guy, which isn't something you can say for Milwaukee with Bledsoe and Middleton flanking Giannis. I don't think it's a coincidence at all that one of the more popular FA targets discussed here as a potential 3rd guy is the 4th best player this season on Milwaukee in Brogdan, they just have a better group of core guys right now and the Jazz need to find a 3rd guy to round out the core. Ingles is best suited as a 4th/5th option who can playmake for others on occasion, Ricky isn't consistent enough to be that guy and his weaknesses are magnified with Mitchell/Gobert, Favors doesn't fit with Gobert (unfortunately) and the rest of the roster just isn't good enough to be the 3rd guy outside of maybe the 3 - 5 game glimpses of Exum's full potential before he gets hurt for 2 months and starts back at step 1 when he returns (basically even more inconsistent than Ricky).
     
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  11. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    There is a difference between saying that rudy doesnt NEED to develop an offensive move and saying i dont want him to.

    I totally want rudy to be better on offense. But he certainly doesnt NEED to be better on offense to be a really really good (even all star level) player. He is already a really good all star level player.


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  12. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Again, i think his offense is fine. And the stats agree with me. I would like for him to develop some more offensive moves though and make his currently good offensive statistics even better.


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  13. Shad

    Shad Well-Known Member

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    Could you imagine if Gobert had a 3-4 foot hook.... or literally anything offensive? I see a lot of people are hurt because I said Ingles could be traded LOL. I realize some people are 'okay' with being mediocre (which is where we are). Maybe I'm more of a risk taker and taking that chance at the top
     
  14. fallenchicken

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    Don't agree with most of this post but I do think the major mistake the front office has made is failing to make trades happen and aversion to risk taking. our front office has been way too conservative, esp. in regards to mike Connolly or mirotic. The point guard health and consistency situation has held this team back for two years in a row. Rubio/Neto/Exum is just a devastatingly inconsistent and injury prone guard rotation. We just can't continue to not have a point guard who is healthy and a consistent offensive threat. Favors is a good player but he and Gobert are never going to be the optimal fit. We could have had that optimal fit with mirotic--honestly I think we would be a top three team in the west if we had done the Mirotic trade; instead we are sixth. But the front office overvalues picks and I guess we got grayson allen instead.....great stuff there.

    Then we really need the third piece. One more borderline all star, a consistent 15+ point a night threat. Don't know how we are going to get him with the front office being unable to make trades happen and the fanbase going full racist in public and sinking even the slightest chance a big free agent would consider us.
     
  15. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Just need Harris, and we're golden.
     
  16. Revolution 9

    Revolution 9 Well-Known Member Staff Member

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    Hes got to be a 6th man type if we are going to be elite. I hope he sticks around in that role for a long time, but weve got to upgrade the 3. Or have DM along side a legit scoring 2, and go that route.
     
  17. Shad

    Shad Well-Known Member

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    Tobias is exactly who we need... but we are far from golden. The point guard situation is a HUGE problem still even if we picked up Tobias. AT LEAST 2 of our point guards HAVE to go
     
  18. LoPo

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    I disagree with this here. If we keep Exum and Neto, we are spending less than $12 million. That's really not a lot of money for 2 guys who can contribute and I still have faith in Exum becoming a pretty good rotation player or solid starter.

    As for Rubio, Thabo and Udoh - they should be gone unless they want to stay for minimum deals. Niang can go too.

    I would keep Favors but only if he signs an extension making substantially less than the $17 million option we have on him.

    By doing all that, we have around $20 million to spend. If Favors won't extend for less, we have $30+.

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  19. TheStormofWar

    TheStormofWar Well-Known Member

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    The contract he has isn't guaranteed and is heavily incentive laden. It's probably closer to 12 to 13, which I'm okay with. Otherwise, yeah, we need to retool on the offensive end. Need a second option badly.
     
  20. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    We are good and have some areas that are low hanging fruit in my opinion... not sure why we haven’t addressed those areas yet but I think we’ve seen enough to know there are a couple pieces that will be changed out this offseason. We don’t need to guy anything... just need a few renovations.
     
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