Taking no satisfaction in being right

[str8line]

Lmfao. He couldn’t even do that in the g league.

 

[SCS]

There's been no real reason to go all-in while the GS juggernaut has been around

I hear fans of many teams say this a lot. I disagree. I don't think that the "waiting until GSW breaks up" approach, is a good approach for the Jazz.

The Jazz aren't known for being able to get big names to sign in free agency. And there are a limited number of opportunities to trade for true difference making stars. We don't have the luxury of picking our time. We have to make the move when the opportunity presents itself.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I know, I know. I'm an Exum homer.

Averaging 20/10 is pretty crazy. That's his potential. Course, I may be high.

Lmfao. He couldn’t even do that in the g league.

He could definitely go 20/10... 20 games 10 minutes per game ain’t that hard.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

All year, we've had trouble scoring against good defenses.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I hear fans of many teams say this a lot. I disagree. I don't think that the "waiting until GSW breaks up" approach, is a good approach for the Jazz.

The Jazz aren't known for being able to get big names to sign in free agency. And there are a limited number of opportunities to trade for true difference making stars. We don't have the luxury of picking our time. We have to make the move when the opportunity presents itself.

GS built slowly but made moves and got lucky along the way...

Traded Monta for Bogut...

Signed Iggy (they struck out in a couple other guys... they weren’t a contender at this point)

Realized Green was better than David Lee and made the change to the starting lineup.

Swapped out some role players along the way and avoided making some mistakes (like trading Klay for Love)

KD and Boogie kinda fell in their lap but their original build was incremental trades and improvements as opportunities presented themselves.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

All year, we've had trouble scoring against good defenses.

We shoot a fair amount of threes, but don't make them at a high percentage... good teams can take away the paint... if we shoot well we win... if not we lose.

I think shooting threes is the right call doe... we suck in mid range. We just need a few more shooters to space things out or convert the shots when teams pack it in.

 

[Hekate]

We have fifth best record since Christmas.

 

[Sandman822]

You're objectively wrong though OP, as Hekate said the Jazz have had one of the best records in the league since Christmas when the schedule lightened. It's also worth pointing out that many of the "schedule is causing losses" crowd like myself also stated that it's clear the team wouldn't be contending this year unless some drastic improvements happened when the early stretch of the season was occuring.

Those people have been 100% right so far, the schedule lightened and the Jazz started kicking *** but are losing consistently to the best teams in the league which suggests they're at the absolute best a 2nd round exit team.

 

[LoPo]

Denver is so more well set both now and in the future then the Jazz are.

They don't have Donovan Mitchell so no they aren't. We have the best player, and that's what the NBA is all about. We just have to support him better than inconsistent non-shooting PG's and non-shooting PF's.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

We shoot a fair amount of threes, but don't make them at a high percentage... good teams can take away the paint... if we shoot well we win... if not we lose.

I think shooting threes is the right call doe... we suck in mid range. We just need a few more shooters to space things out or convert the shots when teams pack it in.

We only have one guy who can put the ball down, use some wiggle and hesitation and create a shot for himself. Everything else has to be created out of pick and roll. Teams that know how to switch on us effectively and guard the pick and roll can shut a lot of our options down and leave Mitchell to go 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. Teams that don't have an obvious defensive weakness make it hard for Mitchell to break the defense down and score efficiently. Hence, we need at least one more person who can create with the ball.

 

[Sandman822]

They don't have Donovan Mitchell so no they aren't. We have the best player, and that's what the NBA is all about. We just have to support him better than inconsistent non-shooting PG's and non-shooting PF's.

Jokic is absolutely a better player than Mitchell but we're incredibly lucky to have the best guy to throw at Jokic in a series in Gobert to lock him down. Denver has the best player in the series but the Jazz would have the best foil for him in the league while also not really having anyone to throw at Mitchell themselves.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We only have one guy who can put the ball down, use some wiggle and hesitation and create a shot for himself. Everything else has to be created out of pick and roll. Teams that know how to switch on us effectively and guard the pick and roll can shut a lot of our options down and leave Mitchell to go 1 on 2 or 1 on 3. Teams that don't have an obvious defensive weakness make it hard for Mitchell to break the defense down and score efficiently. Hence, we need at least one more person who can create with the ball.

Not disagreeing with you... but if you surround the Rudy Gobert pick and roll with shooters it is really hard to stop... guys have to cheat in.

I think shooting is the low hanging fruit... finding another driver/creator that is also a shooter is difficult. So yeah if you can get the creator do it... but our inconsistency has a lot to do with just not having enough good shooters and adding a high variance to the game by shooting a good amount of threes.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Dante Exhume

Oh my god this is brilliant.

 

[LoPo]

Jokic is absolutely a better player than Mitchell but we're incredibly lucky to have the best guy to throw at Jokic in a series in Gobert to lock him down. Denver has the best player in the series but the Jazz would have the best foil for him in the league while also not really having anyone to throw at Mitchell themselves.

Until I see Jokic do something in a big playoff game that matters, I'm not sold that he is some elite player. Sure he is an all purpose big and he's valuable, but Donovan has shown that he can take games over. He was our best player as we beat a good OKC team last year and beat Houston one time even though we didn't have our PG.

Jokic is surrounded by loads of players who spread the floor for him and allow him to work. Put him on a worse scoring team, and he isn't as impactful. Put Donovan on the worst team in the NBA, and they are relevant.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Not disagreeing with you... but if you surround the Rudy Gobert pick and roll with shooters it is really hard to stop... guys have to cheat in.

I think shooting is the low hanging fruit... finding another driver/creator that is also a shooter is difficult. So yeah if you can get the creator do it... but our inconsistency has a lot to do with just not having enough good shooters and adding a high variance to the game by shooting a good amount of threes.

We're going to draft Tyler Herro aren't we...

 

[str8line]

Oh my god this is brilliant.

LOL, totally. Can't take credit though. Mellow said he was Exhumed.

 

[NUMBERICA]

LOL, totally. Can't take credit though. Mellow said he was Exhumed.

Makes me want to make a custom jersey.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We're going to draft Tyler Herro aren't we...

How’s his balance beam? What about his hand pads?

I don’t know but there are some forwards I’d rather take that could be available when we pick. I’m guessing we take Bol Bol and sink 7-10 years into his development... he will be our new “addition” every year.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

GS built slowly but made moves and got lucky along the way...

Traded Monta for Bogut...

Signed Iggy (they struck out in a couple other guys... they weren’t a contender at this point)

Realized Green was better than David Lee and made the change to the starting lineup.

Swapped out some role players along the way and avoided making some mistakes (like trading Klay for Love)

KD and Boogie kinda fell in their lap but their original build was incremental trades and improvements as opportunities presented themselves.

The most lucky move of all was Curry signing for $10 million per season and then immediately morphing into the best player in the league.

 

[Sandman822]

Until I see Jokic do something in a big playoff game that matters, I'm not sold that he is some elite player. Sure he is an all purpose big and he's valuable, but Donovan has shown that he can take games over. He was our best player as we beat a good OKC team last year and beat Houston one time even though we didn't have our PG.

Jokic is surrounded by loads of players who spread the floor for him and allow him to work. Put him on a worse scoring team, and he isn't as impactful. Put Donovan on the worst team in the NBA, and they are relevant.

Right so I guess Jokic gets zero credit for the Nuggets holding onto the 1/2 seed the entire year even though he lost basically every other starter at some point during the season, and at one stage had like 3/5ths of his starting lineup out.

Jokic gets zero love because he isn't flashy but the dude has been a top 10 player this season. Advanced metrics love him, his counting stats are good to great across the board, and he's been winning despite having plenty of injury excuses not to win. The only real knock on his game is defensively but even then he's improved to be decent enough on that end.