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Why a lockout would be good for the Jazz

Jazz4ever

Jazz4ever

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Everyone wants to see our young guys go at it again but there are several reasons why a lockout would be beneficial to the Jazz.

1. Draft Order. With GS having the 11th pick Stern would have to keep the general order the same except with some modified lottery chances. If the season is played, I predict GS will be quite bad with a new coach and system, as well as possibly unloading Monta's contract for very little in return. Missing out on their 2012 lottery pick could be a huge lost opportunity.

2. Veteran teams collapsing. The venerable playoff powerhouses of the last decade would get their final nail in the coffin if a full season lockout happens. At the start of the 2012 season consider these ages: Duncan (36), Kobe (34), Nash (38), Dirk (34), Kidd (39). With the exception of only a few players like John and Karl, players start dropping off dramatically in their mid 30s. There would be a changing of the guard in the West. The Jazz have enough talent to easily snatch a playoff spot. Making the post Deron rebuilding period half of a season....

3. Al Jefferson becomes a highly tradeable expiring contract.

4. Kanter can still develop. He has expressed interest in playing overseas for a year and it would make up for his lost college year.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Everyone wants to see our young guys go at it again but there are several reasons why a lockout would be beneficial to the Jazz.

1. Draft Order. With GS having the 11th pick Stern would have to keep the general order the same except with some modified lottery chances. If the season is played, I predict GS will be quite bad with a new coach and system, as well as possibly unloading Monta's contract for very little in return. Missing out on their 2012 lottery pick could be a huge lost opportunity.

2. Veteran teams collapsing. The venerable playoff powerhouses of the last decade would get their final nail in the coffin if a full season lockout happens. At the start of the 2012 season consider these ages: Duncan (36), Kobe (34), Nash (38), Dirk (34), Kidd (39). With the exception of only a few players like John and Karl, players start dropping off dramatically in their mid 30s. There would be a changing of the guard in the West. The Jazz have enough talent to easily snatch a playoff spot. Making the post Deron rebuilding period half of a season....

3. Al Jefferson becomes a highly tradeable expiring contract.

4. Kanter can still develop. He has expressed interest in playing overseas for a year and it would make up for his lost college year.
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I don't agree. If the season is lost I'll bet they restructure the draft order completely. While point two is true, I don't know how this benefits the Jazz. You'd prefer that our young players don't gain experience playing the vets until they're older? Same thing for point three. Big Al's contract will expire in the same year no matter if next season is lost or not. Finally, Kanter could develop overseas but I'd rather watch him develop here with his Jazz teammates and with Jazz coaches.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Everyone wants to see our young guys go at it again but there are several reasons why a lockout would be beneficial to the Jazz.

1. Draft Order. With GS having the 11th pick Stern would have to keep the general order the same except with some modified lottery chances. If the season is played, I predict GS will be quite bad with a new coach and system, as well as possibly unloading Monta's contract for very little in return. Missing out on their 2012 lottery pick could be a huge lost opportunity.

2. Veteran teams collapsing. The venerable playoff powerhouses of the last decade would get their final nail in the coffin if a full season lockout happens. At the start of the 2012 season consider these ages: Duncan (36), Kobe (34), Nash (38), Dirk (34), Kidd (39). With the exception of only a few players like John and Karl, players start dropping off dramatically in their mid 30s. There would be a changing of the guard in the West. The Jazz have enough talent to easily snatch a playoff spot. Making the post Deron rebuilding period half of a season....

3. Al Jefferson becomes a highly tradeable expiring contract.

4. Kanter can still develop. He has expressed interest in playing overseas for a year and it would make up for his lost college year.
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Where to start..... I think a lockout really hurts this team. They miss an opportunity to practice and play together along with getting more NBA experience. As for the draft, I don't really know if it helps us if the picks were to stay the same. We would essentially be getting the 11th and 12th pick because we ended up at the 12 spot this year with our pick and GS ended up with the 11th. What if we were bound to be much worse in the coming season which is definitely possible. We would have likely been slotted in at the top 8 IMO. So that's not necessarily helpful to us.
 
Why Jazzfanz would be good if you stopped posting.

Because we wouldn't have to read stupid threads like this.
 
Jazz4ever said:
4. Kanter can still develop. He has expressed interest in playing overseas for a year and it would make up for his lost college year.
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Not overseas but he told, if there is lockout, he is willing to play in the upcoming euro basket championship to help turkey, and compete against players like Gasol, Nowitzki so that he can be more ready for the season.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Everyone wants to see our young guys go at it again but there are several reasons why a lockout would be beneficial to the Jazz.

1. Draft Order. With GS having the 11th pick Stern would have to keep the general order the same except with some modified lottery chances. If the season is played, I predict GS will be quite bad with a new coach and system, as well as possibly unloading Monta's contract for very little in return. Missing out on their 2012 lottery pick could be a huge lost opportunity.
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I've actually had the same thought - except we don't know what the draft order will be. Stern hasn't decided yet what to do. If they copy what NHL did then it isn't just the last year's standings, I think it uses the last 3 years to determine draft order. Dunno.

We'll see.
 
trigg3r said:
Where to start..... I think a lockout really hurts this team. They miss an opportunity to practice and play together along with getting more NBA experience. As for the draft, I don't really know if it helps us if the picks were to stay the same. We would essentially be getting the 11th and 12th pick because we ended up at the 12 spot this year with our pick and GS ended up with the 11th. What if we were bound to be much worse in the coming season which is definitely possible. We would have likely been slotted in at the top 8 IMO. So that's not necessarily helpful to us.
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Every team misses the opportunity to practice together, so its a moot point. I agree we could be worse than the 12th, but if so, that is a horror show we don't really want to watch unfold anyways.
 
Jazz4ever said:
3. Al Jefferson becomes a highly tradeable expiring contract.
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As a legal matter that's questionable. If an entire season was lost it's possible that the contracts could be tolled (this issue would likely be taken care of during the course of CBA negotiations if it became apparent an entire season would be lost).

The closest precedent (that I'm aware of) is the Alexei Yashin arbitration in the NHL and in that case it was determined that sitting out a year did not relieve the burdens of the final year of the contract.

Yashin, who had 94 points for Ottawa during the 1998-99 NHL campaign and was a Hart finalist as the league's most valuable player, refused to play for the Senators this past season after the club would not renegotiate the final year of his $3.6 million contract.
Yashin contended that he should become a free agent following his holdout because the terms of his contract expired this week. The NHL disagreed, and arbitrator Lawrence Holden ruled on Wednesday in favour of the league.
After his refusal to play, the Senators suspended Yashin for the season on November 9.
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https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/139637/nhl-wins-arbitration-case-with-senators-star
 
There will nearly most definitely be a lockout starting on July 1st - but that doesn't mean the entire season will be lost.
Yes, a new CBA will likely benefit small-market teams more, but missing an entire season of basketball wouldn't be "good" for anyone. A team like Utah may be hurt "less" than some others, but it wouldn't be "good" for them because the overall product will suffer from a cancelled season.

Give me a 65-game schedule beginning in Dec or a 50-game schedule starting in January.
 
sepanol said:
Not overseas but he told, if there is lockout, he is willing to play in the upcoming euro basket championship to help turkey, and compete against players like Gasol, Nowitzki so that he can be more ready for the season.
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Do you think he would actually get any playing time? Turkey has a fair amount of good big men.
 
green said:
The NHL lockout was. Nobody cares, but the league is in good shape financially.
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Agreed.

Frankly if the league came out on the other side looking like a sport in which every team had a fair chance to win with large amounts of revenue sharing and a hard cap it's hard to say that the NBA wouldn't be a better league on the other side of the lockout.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Agreed.

Frankly if the league came out on the other side looking like a sport in which every team had a fair chance to win with large amounts of revenue sharing and a hard cap it's hard to say that the NBA wouldn't be a better league on the other side of the lockout.
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That's my biggest hope as well.
 
Sirkickyass said:
Agreed.

Frankly if the league came out on the other side looking like a sport in which every team had a fair chance to win with large amounts of revenue sharing and a hard cap it's hard to say that the NBA wouldn't be a better league on the other side of the lockout.
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Do you really think this is possible? I mean, stranger things have happened, but really?
 
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