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Police arrest Julian Assange at Ecuadorian embassy in London

Now, I'm not saying that Russia is the good guys either, so be clear about that. But if you consider what nation has caused more death and destruction since the end of WW II, I think we win hands down. Either directly through war, or indirectly by supplying arms through the auspices of the CIA to various dictators in third world countries like those in Africa and in Indonesia or Guatemala (and there were genocides committed in the latter two countries with the aid of the U.S.), among others. For example, three million Vietnamese died during the war there, and one source I know of indicated that in modern warfare far more civilians are dying. For example, in the Iraq War, 90 percent of those who died, or collateral damage as they call it, were civilians. It's a nasty world we live in today, but I don't believe Assange is part of that. Just because the Russians aid someone, doesn't mean they're the bad. Castro, for instance, was trying to improve the lives of the people in Cuba, but we boycotted Cuba and tried to overthrow him because we don't believe in socialism. So, the Russians came to his aid. Of course we portray Castro as evil. But if we had not boycotted Cuba, like we are doing to Venezuela, they would've been prosperous. But we couldn't allow that because of our dirty capitalist system. Americans aren't bad people, nor are Russians bad people. It's our governments that are evil, and we are the most evil of them all. We are the evil empire.

So both, the American and Russian governments are evil? Ok... I don’t agree with that. But even if I did, how does it make sense that Assange and wiki have only gone after one of those two governments?

Annnnndddd that’s the point. Assange has gone after Germany, France, the United States, and even Canada more than Russia.

Is Canada’s Government really more evil than Russia’s?

If the goal in exposing a country’s “evil dark secrets” is to encourage them to be more transparent and clean up their act, why hasn’t Assange gone after Russia in the same vigor as western democracies?

Or is Canada really just Much more “evil” than Russia?
 
It's our governments that are evil, and we are the most evil of them all. We are the evil empire.

When I was in high school, many decades ago, American history was my favorite subject. And we were taught we were the good guys who wore the white hats. It was not easy coming to terms with the fact that this was simply not always the case. But I would dispute that we are "the most evil of them all". In addition to Russia, where power is an alliance of Putin, the intelligence services, the top oligarchs, and the Russian mob, for which reason the nation state of Russian has been described as a "mafia state", we may not wish to forget China where "evil" is concerned:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...you-never-come-out-inside-chinas-war-on-islam



I am not living in a nation where, if my ethnicity is not Chinese, and I am a Muslim, if the police find Facebook on my smart phone, I can expect 15 years in a concentration camp.
 
No government on the planet is more corrupt than Putin’s Russia.

Russia isn't some boogeyman. Read a damn book or open a newspaper. Russia is meddling in elections, killing journalists, and providing aid to our enemies. Enemies of western democracies. This isn’t rumor, but proven fact.
Killing journalists with radioactive poison..., Killing journalists as well as people who spied on them in foreign nations like the UK, with radioactive poison.

Research how Putin got his first high profile job under Boris Yeltsin. He blew up Russians in their apartment buildings and blamed it on terrorists. Then he started a war with the terrorists and became a national hero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings
 
I don't think it's a black & white issue. Wikileaks has exposed corruption and done some noble things, but I think it needs to show discretion and not just publish any leak.
Nailed it.

Like others have said, Wikileaks, without that discretion, is open to being weaponized by the DRB.

#D.O.N. is the answer to all our challenges!

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I'm not a fan of Assange, i think he's a complete ******, however i think Wikileaks is a fantastic thing, governments need to be held accountable and embarrassed too many media organisation would run from some of the stuff in Wikileaks cause it would be too hard or their legal would be **** scared. Isn't the truth supposed to set you free?
 
No government on the planet is more corrupt than Putin’s Russia.

Russia isn't some boogeyman. Read a damn book or open a newspaper. Russia is meddling in elections, killing journalists, and providing aid to our enemies. Enemies of western democracies. This isn’t rumor, but proven fact.
Truth.

We should not sleep on the threat Putin's Russia poses to western civilization as we know it.

#D.O.N. is the answer to all our challenges!

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Killing journalists with radioactive poison..., Killing journalists as well as people who spied on them in foreign nations like the UK, with radioactive poison.

Research how Putin got his first high profile job under Boris Yeltsin. He blew up Russians in their apartment buildings and blamed it on terrorists. Then he started a war with the terrorists and became a national hero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings


You're right; but it bears mentioning Russia has a vast state sponsored division of computer hackers that also work in a free lance capacity (if VICE News is correct).

My guess is a lot of his info comes directly from Putin's operatives (and probably China too).

Didn't they establish that the DNC e-mail hacker was most likely from Russia?

So, while I'm sure fear is a motivation - they're also his source material.
 
Nailed it.

Like others have said, Wikileaks, without that discretion, is open to being weaponized by the DRB.

#D.O.N. is the answer to all our challenges!

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I dont know the whole Bradley Manning story, but he reportedly leaked a ton of things and didnt just expose one or two incidents.
 
Killing journalists with radioactive poison..., Killing journalists as well as people who spied on them in foreign nations like the UK, with radioactive poison.

Research how Putin got his first high profile job under Boris Yeltsin. He blew up Russians in their apartment buildings and blamed it on terrorists. Then he started a war with the terrorists and became a national hero.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

Yep. Excellent post.

Coming up with ridiculous “tax fraud” accusations to intimidate political opponents, killing off CEOs who won’t sell their assets off to you, taking over media outlets to produce propaganda.... yeah that Putin is a real cool guy.

For those looking for some good reads on Putin and the stuff Bullet just highlighted:

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The new Tsar and Bill Browder’s book are good reads too. Browder is responsible for the Magnitsky Act, the “Russian Adoption” thing that Donald Jr discussed with Russians in Trump Tower in exchange for dirty on Hillary Clinton.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnitsky_Act
 
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No government on the planet is more corrupt than Putin’s Russia.

Russia isn't some boogeyman. Read a damn book or open a newspaper. Russia is meddling in elections, killing journalists, and providing aid to our enemies. Enemies of western democracies. This isn’t rumor, but proven fact.
Our CIA has been doing this since the 1950s. You want a list of books by agents to corroborate this?
 
Our CIA has been doing this since the 1950s. You want a list of books by agents to corroborate this?

Please provide me with a reading list of books that show the United States aided in killing journalists so that they could spread authoritarianism and anti-democratic governments around the world. Please provide me with a book reporting how we hacked into servers of the major political parties of a country and used that stolen information to influence an election. Please provide me with a book that reports how our president used radioactive toxins to kill off his political opponents in a foreign country.

I’ll wait.

You’re the only person in this thread still missing my main point about Assange. Why has he ONLY gone after western democracies? Why not Russia? Why hasn’t he ever exposed anything significant about Russia?

Do you believe the United States to be a greater evil on the world than Russia? Yes or no.

Do you believe Russia to be a more virtuous influence on the world than western democracies? Yes or no.
 
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