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Summer 2019 Roster Discussion

The question is simple - can we get those 2nd and 3rd offensive options to go with Gobert and Mitchell? If we can't get another really good offensive player without trading Gobert, then you trade Gobert. He is the only ++ asset we have.

Think about it - to get a great player like Kemba or Middleton, we have to release Favors who has been a solid player. What if we were to keep Favors, sign Kemba/Middleton and then trade Gobert for another really good player?

I don't think Rudy will be on the table, but maybe he should. If he is a max guy in a couple years, that contract could be catastrophic.

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get anothet 20+ scorer and we are good. been saying same thing over and over. isn’t it so obvious? ****ing sick of this


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LoPo said:
The question is simple - can we get those 2nd and 3rd offensive options to go with Gobert and Mitchell? If we can't get another really good offensive player without trading Gobert, then you trade Gobert. He is the only ++ asset we have.

Think about it - to get a great player like Kemba or Middleton, we have to release Favors who has been a solid player. What if we were to keep Favors, sign Kemba/Middleton and then trade Gobert for another really good player?

I don't think Rudy will be on the table, but maybe he should. If he is a max guy in a couple years, that contract could be catastrophic.

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Because unless you're dumping Gobert for like 1/4 of the salary what you're saying isn't possible.
 
Dennis Lindsey really has his work cut out for him. We aren't even close to being able to compete with the two best teams in the west, they're just on a whole different level than us.
 
Sandman822 said:
Because unless you're dumping Gobert for like 1/4 of the salary what you're saying isn't possible.
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Without Favors and the other expirings, we can make around $33 million in cap room. Gobert makes $8 more than Favors. We can definitely make it work. It can be done.

I haven't even gotten into the targets yet, but as long as we don't trade for a player making $20+, we could sign a player making $25+ and keep Favors and have that value Gobert got us.

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LoPo said:
Without Favors and the other expirings, we can make around $33 million in cap room. Gobert makes $8 more than Favors. We can definitely make it work. It can be done.

I haven't even gotten into the targets yet, but as long as we don't trade for a player making $20+, we could sign a player making $25+ and keep Favors and have that value Gobert got us.

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But you're saying you want to keep Favors which is why you'd need to trade Gobert to a team with

A) Capspace to absorb his contract since the Jazz don't want equal salary back
B) Has a valuable "3rd piece" asset for your plan, likely has to be on a rookie deal
C) Has to make sense for both sides

...and the way you initially worded it was to do this trade *after* you signed Kemba or Middleton which would literally be impossible if you're keeping Favors.

Let alone all of the reasons both on and off the court why trading away a franchise C in his prime who wants to be in Utah would be a horrible move for the Jazz organisation.

It's just a horrible idea all round I'm sorry.
 
Jingled said:
Dennis Lindsey really has his work cut out for him. We aren't even close to being able to compete with the two best teams in the west, they're just on a whole different level than us.
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I’d add Portland and probably OKC at this point. I think Portland’s shooting and Aminu’s/Harkless’s defense would be killing us too. And OKC is better than we are. You could argue the top 3 teams in the east are better than we are. I don’t see us beating Toronto or Milwaukee. Maybe the dysfunctional 76ers?
 
Jack Strop said:
Or lose him for nothing when he becomes a FA and goes to an organization that wants to win and will spend the money to do so? Utah is 23rd this season in payroll. Of the playoff teams, only Indiana is lower. Since Tight Wad took over as GM, the Jazz have been at/near the bottom of the league except for Hayward's walk year, when Dennis signed JJ and traded for Fat Boris. The Jazz organization has really only shown once (during the Boozer/Millsap transition), that they would spend significant money on the team.

And there's even less incentive to do so now. Jazz can continue to rake in marketing dollars and sell out the arena due to having Donovan. People just keep spending and spending.
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I don't see Gobert just walking away when he becomes a FA, he comes through as a loyal player, unlike Hayward with whom the FO should have seen the signs from miles away, he barely had any good words for Utah. I had wanted him gone for a long time.
 
Sandman822 said:
But you're saying you want to keep Favors which is why you'd need to trade Gobert to a team with

A) Capspace to absorb his contract since the Jazz don't want equal salary back
B) Has a valuable "3rd piece" asset for your plan, likely has to be on a rookie deal
C) Has to make sense for both sides

...and the way you initially worded it was to do this trade *after* you signed Kemba or Middleton which would literally be impossible if you're keeping Favors.

Let alone all of the reasons both on and off the court why trading away a franchise C in his prime who wants to be in Utah would be a horrible move for the Jazz organisation.

It's just a horrible idea all round I'm sorry.
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Oh, the entire idea is bold and difficult, but bold and difficult moves are sometimes necessary.

I don't want to trade Gobert. But I want to win a title and keep Mitchell long term more than my affinity for Rudy.

But we aren't gonna trade Gobert. We won't even look at it. We probably won't even let Favors walk so we can pursue max free agent type guys. We will keep Favors and do our best with the $16 million we have left if we even decide to let Rubio, Thabo, Udoh and guys like that walk.

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Interesting read about Julius Randle and where he might go. The other three teams are fluff, but the information about the Pelicans is interesting. https://hoopshype.com/2019/04/17/julius-randle-free-agent-destinations-pelicans-suns-nets-mavericks/


“In the summertime, I’ll weigh the pros and cons of everything and what works best,” Randle said. “Honestly, it’s been great for me here. I’m loving it, I’m enjoying every second of it. My family’s happy here. It’s been a good situation. When we get to the summertime we’ll see what happens, but for now, I’m just enjoying the moment. I realize anything can happen in this business, but I’m enjoying it so far.”

Also, according to those who cover the Pelicans, the feeling is anything but one-sided:

“Perhaps Davis’ departure will open up the opportunity Randle has been looking for. It would make a ton of sense for the Pelicans to bring him back at the right price, and sources have told The Athletic there has been mutual interest expressed on both sides for a new deal this summer.”

Randle won’t solely help fill the void Davis is going to leave behind once he’s dealt, but he’s the type of player you want on your team when establishing the culture of your next playoff contender, as he possesses a strong team-first attitude while being a consistent bucket-getter in his own right.

If I had to guess, the Pelicans will keep Jrue and overpay a little to keep Randle. Those are two of the guys in my top 10 of most desirable summer 2019 targets.
 
Jack Strop said:
Or lose him for nothing when he becomes a FA and goes to an organization that wants to win and will spend the money to do so? Utah is 23rd this season in payroll. Of the playoff teams, only Indiana is lower. Since Tight Wad took over as GM, the Jazz have been at/near the bottom of the league except for Hayward's walk year, when Dennis signed JJ and traded for Fat Boris. The Jazz organization has really only shown once (during the Boozer/Millsap transition), that they would spend significant money on the team.

And there's even less incentive to do so now. Jazz can continue to rake in marketing dollars and sell out the arena due to having Donovan. People just keep spending and spending.
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Losing people to free agency with no attempt to recoup assets is a time-honored jazz tradition. We can't break with tradition.
 
I think it's time for Bricky and the Jazz to file for divorce. He was brought in to appease Hayward and that did not work. He is a sensitive guy and when word leaked out about the possible Conley trade he was really hurt. Perhaps we can do a sign and trade but I think it's best for the kids if the Jazz and Bricky say adios.
 
homeytennis said:
I think it's time for Bricky and the Jazz to file for divorce. He was brought in to appease Hayward and that did not work. He is a sensitive guy and when word leaked out about the possible Conley trade he was really hurt. Perhaps we can do a sign and trade but I think it's best for the kids if the Jazz and Bricky say adios.
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I'd be shocked if he's back next season.
 
As much as I love seeing both Gobert and Favors on the team, you can't tie up 50% of your salary for 2 centers. I'd like to think that the Jazz understand this and will trade one of them, a la the Denver Nuggets a few years ago when they traded away Nurkic to make room for other signings...
 
LoPo said:
He would be awesome off the bench making less than Exum money.

If we traded for Conley, then we could just keep him instead of Neto.
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Agreed but he's not going to accept a bench role. He will be a starting point guard somewhere next season.
 
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