idestroyedthetoilet
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But to your point, going after Trump for a crime he didnt commit is right up there with going after Slick Willy for fornication.
Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?
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But to your point, going after Trump for a crime he didnt commit is right up there with going after Slick Willy for fornication.
I think the fact that the editorial came out before the redacted report, much less Mueller's memo, was sufficiently refuting, regardless of who wrote it.
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So just curious,
I know what the Trumper response will be. But for the 70 percent of us, are we totally cool with Trump telling Putin that he wouldn’t accept the Mueller findings? Are we cool with trump preventing former White House attorney Todd Mcgahn from testifying in Congress?
And are we cool with this because trump is so innocent and congress shouldn’t be able to investigate the White House and stuff?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/03/politics/trump-putin-phone-call-mueller-report/index.html
I know what the Trumper response will be. But for the 70 percent of us, are we totally cool with Trump telling Putin that he wouldn’t accept the Mueller findings? Are we cool with trump preventing former White House attorney Todd Mcgahn from testifying in Congress?
And are we cool with this because trump is so innocent and congress shouldn’t be able to investigate the White House and stuff?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/03/politics/trump-putin-phone-call-mueller-report/index.html
Zombie
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It's so ****ing bizarre. Why is Trump discussing his legal strategy with Vladimir Putin, the man he has been suspected of conspiring with? Even if Trump is completely innocent of wrong doing himself, he should at least have our backs wrt Russia’s role in the whole affair.
Red
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So tell it to William Barr, already. You know, the guy at the head of the DOJ....
I don't know. Trump's told roughly 10,000 since taking office, and you still haven't caught on....
idestroyedthetoilet
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Where are you getting this from? All I've seen is an article CNN ran earlier about a call regarding Venezuela. Sounded pretty benign to me.
Joe Bagadonuts
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It never occurred to any of these people that the reason fewer black people voted in 2016 is that they didn't like Hillary? Seems so obvious. It's hard to believe that Russians could say things on social media that would prevent black people from voting. Can you explain how this would work?
Joe Bagadonuts
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Is it of any concern to you that the Obama FBI opened an investigation into a rival political candidate's campaign? Does it matter to you that the basis for that investigation has now been disproven? Will you be okay if Trump uses the FBI to spy on the campaign of his eventual Democratic challenger? I suppose that if Trump is able to create some opposition research (verifiable or not) that suggests that his rival may have done something suspicious you're going to be okay with using whatever part of the Federal Intelligence Machine that might be necessary in order to stop this potential threat to our democracy.
Zombie
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Red
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From the Ebony article, one of the two links I left for you:
"How did the Russians use these fake accounts? They spread disinformation designed to hurt Hillary Clinton. These sites spread false rumors that “Hillary received $20,000 donation from the KKK towards her campaign” and advocated that Black voters stay home or vote for Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate. "
The same article did place blame on Clinton:
"African-Americans represent 25 percent of all Democratic voters and Democratic presidential candidates need strong support from the African-American community to win. African-American voters put Obama over the top in 2012. But Obama energized the Black community in ways that Clinton did not. Much of the Clinton campaign’s focus was directed at attracting the support of White suburban women. This came at the expense of shoring up the support of African-Americansand other core Democratic groups.
This gamble failed to pay off. Clinton lost the majority of White women and lost support among African-Americans. Her failure is especially glaring given the massive increase in Black turnout during the 2018 midterms."
To provide a fuller answer regarding Russia targeting of black voters would require a great deal of work and research on my part. I'm not going to do that for you. Sorry, but you can do that. I thought I was simply pointing out another component of the Russian active measures campaign against our democracy in 2016. Any further research will have to come as a result of your own efforts, unless someone else wishes to weigh in.
Red
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You know, there are two competing narratives on the menu at the moment. The narrative you're describing here is the one you have decided you are most comfortable with, I assume. I don't buy into it at all, so no, this deep state fantasy does not concern me in the least. The basis for the investigation was valid. No conspiracy found does not mean the basis for opening the investigation in the first place was invalid. There were so many contacts and connections between the Trump campaign and Russian officials. I expect our intelligence agencies to open an investigation under those circumstances. But, to emphasize, your bull**** is really of no concern to me whatsoever. I believe the truth will out. Might take years, but the truth will out, and this deep state fantasy will be left in the dustbin of history, where in belongs. And that's that as far as I'm concerned, respectfully submitted....
idestroyedthetoilet
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That article has been corrected.