Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

[silesian]

Except for there were a host of other people that would have been in trouble if there were the things in there that you want to be there.

I didn't want anything to be there. This is a sad time for our country. If Mueller had found no crimes, no lies, no evidence of obstruction, I would have been thrilled. Because I believe in the guy. And I want our country to be based on the rule of law. Period. Hard Stop.

None of them had executive immunity. Where is the frog marching of Don Jr. or Kushner? You guys all but guaranteed that this would happen.

No I didn't. Stop making things up, it undermines your credibility.

Why are you bringing up the guys who were not convicted of a crime and conveniently leaving off the ones who were convicted of a crime. Could this be a bias?

Congress can impeach on anything they want to, they don't even need a reason at all. I mean, it's not advisable, but it is legal.

Please read the constitution.

Did Mueller state in the report that he wanted to indict Trump but that he couldn't? Go ahead and cite that.

I answered that point directly in my last post. Please go back and re-read it

And, if this was not a criminal case, what the Hell was the reason behind any of it?

The reason was a counterintelligence investigation of the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. You remember the Russians who were indicted? They were indicted for something we call a "crime." Crimes are what make a case criminal.

There would have been no reason at all for a Mueller. Your goalposts have moved so far.

You are rambling. Where did I move my goalposts from? Where did I move them to? Please provide specifics

Suggest you do some reading outside of Trump's Twitter account, this information is out there.

 

[silesian]

Just imagine that they had hired an international actor to inject Russian-fed propaganda into the FBI as a pretext for spying on a campaign. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine it, because that happened.

The fact that you are upset about your HRC story but not about the Trump Tower meeting is all everyone needs to know about your bias.

By the way, HRC lost, move on. We are talking about the guy who won. But I understand your reason for deflecting and obfuscating. I'd want to change the topic if I were you.

 

[Red]

For any clown who still thinks the Democrats are stuck on stupid, here is the statement, released Monday and signed by 375 former federal prosecutors, and counting, and who served in both Democrat and Republican administrations, and stating, that if not for the DOJ policy of not indicting a sitting president, that it is their opinion that the Mueller report provides sufficient evidence to have charged Trump with obstruction of justice.

And for any clown who thinks it ain't a crime to obstruct if there is no underlying crime, think long and hard what obstruction of justice represents in and of itself, and what it means to be this certain that the chief executive of the United States was engaged in obstruction of justice. Quite the role model.

And since bipartisanship is virtually non existent at the present time, and that has been the case since at least the Obama years, this statement will not really carry the impact it might have carried in a different era. Nonetheless, it takes a sledgehammer to AG Barr's claim that, in his opinion, there was insufficient evidence to support charges of obstruction of justice.

Mueller did state, which Barr obfuscated, that he did not apply prosecutorial judgement because of DOJ policy relating to sitting presidents, and not because the evidence could not support such charges. These 379 former federal prosecutors express their belief that the evidence that Trump committed several felonies was not a "close judgement", but rather the evidence against Trump was "overwhelming".

We are supposed to be a nation of laws. Obstructing an investigation is a serious crime when committed by a president, as it is a clear statement on the part of that president that he is unwilling to uphold the rule of law. This is what makes obstruction by a president serious business, regardless of any underlying crime, or lack of underlying crime. It is the president putting his own interests above the rule of law, and that alone is sufficient to judge such a president unfit for the office.

And when Barr stated, at the time of the report's release, that the president was upset because he did nothing wrong, Barr crossed a line, and went from being an AG serving the citizens of the United States, and instead joined the president's legal team. At least in my lifetime, and including Nixon, no president has debased his office and the institutions of our democracy more then Donald Trump.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politi...truction-of-justice-former-prosecutor-letter/

 

[The Thriller]

I don't know. Anyone who say they are certain, one way or the other, is kidding themself.

If African American voting rates had stayed the same during the general as previous elections Hillary would’ve won. I’ve also read (but cannot find the link) to black turnout declining between the Democratic Party and general election.

Part of Russian disinformation was to discourage people of color from voting. It appears to have been successful.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...ning-out-for-the-post-obama-democratic-party/

 

[Hotdog]

The fact that you are upset about your HRC story but not about the Trump Tower meeting is all everyone needs to know about your bias.

By the way, HRC lost, move on. We are talking about the guy who won. But I understand your reason for deflecting and obfuscating. I'd want to change the topic if I were you.

Trump won. Now move on please. Stop projecting.

 

[Zombie]

This kind of sounds like you're blaming the kids that caught the other kid shop lifting rather than the kid that did the shoplifting.

I'm confused. I'm pretty clearly blaming the Russians who did the hacking.

 

[LogGrad98]

I'm confused. I'm pretty clearly blaming the Russians who did the hacking.

But you're not blaming Hillary for operating an illegal mail server for her clearance level. That's been the conservatives argument all along. Blame the hackers but Hillary can run all the illegal mail server she wants.

Idc one way or the other right now, but one should not excuse the other.

 

[Zombie]

But you're not blaming Hillary for operating an illegal mail server for her clearance level. That's been the conservatives argument all along. Blame the hackers but Hillary can run all the illegal mail server she wants.

Idc one way or the other right now, but one should not excuse the other.

Yeah, I don't think there was anything "illegal" about her private servers. She certainly wasn't indicted for anything. I'm just saying it gave a scandal additional legs, and made people think it was a bigger deal than it really was.

 

[silesian]

Trump won. Now move on please. Stop projecting.

Smile. Point to where I denied that trump won and when you fail, admit to your lie. Good luck, little buddy! Smile

 

[silesian]

Hey did you hear that Hillary’s long time personal lawyer is going to jail for 3 years for stuff he did at HRC’s behest?


I may have those facts slightly wrong.

 

[Hotdog]

Here is what CNN and the left wont tell you about the Muller Investigation.

Thank god for people are honest and still have a spine

 

[Hotdog]

Powerful summary and speech by senator Cruz on this Muller report debacle.

 

[Hotdog]

How long do you think the Democrats can keep spinning this? How big of a hole do you think they will dig themselves?

The Democrats need 2020 to come sooner rather than later. This is is getting bad. They dont know when to stop and have completely forgotten that their charade is on full blast right now. Ive never in my 81 years seen a political party make bigger fools of themselves.

 

[The Thriller]

Yeah, I don't think there was anything "illegal" about her private servers. She certainly wasn't indicted for anything. I'm just saying it gave a scandal additional legs, and made people think it was a bigger deal than it really was.

Why are we still debating this? It’s not like Obama blocked the investigator from holding a press conference disclosing his findings.

My hell people. It’s like some of you turned off your brains a long time ago and are stuck on Hillary doing illegal things, facts be damned.



https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/p...-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

@LogGrad98 either stop producing misinformation intentionally or admit to your clear bias, facts be damned. Clinton did nothing illegal with regards to her email server.

Which is a little bit different than Trump, where we have 450+ prosecutors who believe he would’ve been indicted had he not been president. She didn’t obstruct justice, unlike Trump, who even today is attempting to block Mueller from testifying and prevent he release of his taxes. She didn’t abuse power, unlike Trump, who is abusing his power to impede multiple investigations from the House.

Trumpers, we all know you don’t care about facts.

But the rest of you? time to wake up! Get your facts. It’s honestly not that hard. It took me less than 2 mins to look up Comey’s (a republican) press conference and read his report.

 

[One Brow]

How do you figure CNN is not left leaning? If that were true, doesnt it make it odd then that stadiums full of Republicans chant "CNN sucks"?

No, because I understand the difference between propaganda and reality.

Somewhere you read that CNN is sensationalism, and havent even bothered to be objective about it.

I "read" that by looking at the CNN headlines and choices for news stories.

You are too scared to go against the grain of your mad liberal party because you know you will be attacked and ostracized by your supposed own pepes.

I guess you weren't on this board 10 years ago. I was saying stuff (mostly what I say today) and no one liked it.

 

[One Brow]

Have you seen the ads that the Russians ran on facebook? I'll comfortably state that they had no bearing on the outcome of the election.

My point exactly.

If that were possible, literally thousands of other entities would have attempted the same with more resources.

They do. It's called "advertising", and people spend money on it because it works.

 

[One Brow]

Just imagine that they had hired an international actor to inject Russian-fed propaganda into the FBI as a pretext for spying on a campaign. Oh wait, we don't have to imagine it, because that happened.

Really? You can't be talking about the Steele report, so to what are you referring?

 

[One Brow]

If African American voting rates had stayed the same during the general as previous elections Hillary would’ve won. I’ve also read (but cannot find the link) to black turnout declining between the Democratic Party and general election.

Without a black person on the ticket, a black voting rate drop was inevitable.

 

[fishonjazz]

And yet, not one of these people were hired to do Mueller's job. His conclusions are the only ones that matter. He punted. These people do not matter at all.

actually i think it was muellers job to run an investigation which he did and it came up with many instances where a normal civilian would have been charged. Unfortunately Trump is not a normal civilian and i dont think muellers job is to indict, charge, or convict trump. Just to provide info to some dude named Barr.

 

[LogGrad98]

Yeah, I don't think there was anything "illegal" about her private servers. She certainly wasn't indicted for anything. I'm just saying it gave a scandal additional legs, and made people think it was a bigger deal than it really was.

Well her illegality is pretty similar to Trump's. You now, can't exactly prove enough to indict. But I guess for you that mean turn the blind eye for Hillary.

By the way, using private email servers was a very very very very gray area. Hard to distinguish from Black.