What do you consider a "failed" offseason for the Jazz?

[Keefe]

Selling Donovan and Gobert. Throwing crazy amounts of money toward free agents. Giving resources for trades. Losing the excuses and his too conservative approach.

1. Yeah, I’m sure he doesn’t sell Gobert and Donovan in his pitches. Probably focuses in on Bradley and Tomic instead. Stupid Lindsey.
2. “Crazy money” meaning what? You know we can sign a free agent and in the process, go over the cap right? So yeah, the “crazy money” he’d spend is limited in that sense.
3. We have no ****ing resources.
4. You’re dumb.

 

[mellow]

The norm.

Typical.

Routine .

Serious now, if they don't package picks 23 and 53 to move up for Zion and jettison Ricky so they can sign Kyrie or Kemba, and add a solid three and d wing like Klay or Kawii, and trade Korver and Mitro-Long for an overpaid stretch 4 like Kevin Love or LeBron James, and sign Jimmer then it will be a failure.

 

[mellow]

We have no ****ing resources.

Remember when we got a war chest full of resources to facilitate that Igudola trade from Denver to GS. He was so old it was GS selling us their future for a year or two of being competitive. The suckers.

 

[416Klawzz]

1. Yeah, I’m sure he doesn’t sell Gobert and Donovan in his pitches. Probably focuses in on Bradley and Tomic instead. Stupid Lindsey.
2. “Crazy money” meaning what? You know we can sign a free agent and in the process, go over the cap right? So yeah, the “crazy money” he’d spend is limited in that sense.
3. We have no ****ing resources.
4. You’re dumb.

I mean selling the free agents on the star power of Donovan and Gobert.

We have money with Korver off the books (if he agrees to a trade or retires), let go of Ekpe, Thabo etc. Rubio comes off the books Trade Exum. Draft picks. Filler do you comprehend this concept ?

If we dont get any big names by the 6th yes by offering crazy money - then we go back with Favors.

Hopefully you can grasp this idea. If not you are dumb.

Geez cranky in the morning ?

Go after Tobias, Kemba. Go after Conley again ( thanks DL for keeping Exum and destroying this chance)

 

[Scat]

Trade Exum.

At this point, who in their right mind would trade and take on DedEx's contract for the next 2 years? Maybe next year as he will be expiring but it isn't happening this year.

 

[416Klawzz]

At this point, who in their right mind would trade and take on DedEx's contract for the next 2 years? Maybe next year as he will be expiring but it isn't happening this year.

DL can try to brainwash the other team's head office about Bustum all about his athleticism potential like he did us when extending him.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is a worse thing than staying pat - signing players that don't change our fortunes to long term contracts and eliminating even the chance that we go after high end FAs the following year. We have one chance to add a high impact player. Don't waste it on mediocre improvements.

I mean, that's what DL avoided doing last year and everyone spent a year ******** on him for it.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

At this point, who in their right mind would trade and take on DedEx's contract for the next 2 years? Maybe next year as he will be expiring but it isn't happening this year.

I think I've somehow gone to one of the bigger Exum supporters on the board because everyone has completely turned on him. I think he's still super valuable as a defender against the best teams. No point in selling low on him.

 

[LoPo]

I think I've somehow gone to one of the bigger Exum supporters on the board because everyone has completely turned on him. I think he's still super valuable as a defender against the best teams. No point in selling low on him.

This is spot on.

 

[416Klawzz]

This is spot on.

What is ?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

There is a worse thing than staying pat - signing players that don't change our fortunes to long term contracts and eliminating even the chance that we go after high end FAs the following year. We have one chance to add a high impact player. Don't waste it on mediocre improvements.

This is our offseason to strike imo… so if we don't get the high impact guy I'm fine signing good players to solid contracts and hoping they contribute or outperform their salaries. Having multiple guys on fair deals could help land the 3rd star in a trade. I look at what Jimmy Butler was traded for and say... Covington is a fine player on a good contract... Saric is a decent contributor on a rookie deal, but not a high upside dude... that netted a two way all-star (with some issues of course). You may just end up with a couple Aminu type players on good deals, and have to get lucky in the draft. If those guys are performing at their salary you could move off of them and likely get assets. Example if Sacramento wanted to move Bjelica for no returning salary could they do it? (I say yes.) Would they get at least a second round pick for their trouble? (I think so)

Next year's FA crop looks rough.. go for the big swings, but if they don't pan out don't use all the money running it back or on one year deals. Those haven't given us enough trade value last few years to get anything done. Actually take a few measured fliers and risk that they might not perform.

 

[LoPo]

What is ?

Cy's stance on Exum.

Cy, much like myself, continues to support Exum for two reasons - #1 our roster needs another good, athletic defender who can drive AND #2 it is not good business to sell low.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I mean, that's what DL avoided doing last year and everyone spent a year ******** on him for it.

Spending $30 million on a guy that hasn't done anything to pass on players many times better that could've been had on cheaper deals is the issue. So, the precise opposite of the scenario being discussed played out.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Cy's stance on Exum.

Cy, much like myself, continues to support Exum for two reasons - #1 our roster needs another good, athletic defender who can drive AND #2 it is not good business to sell low.

It's worse business to bid against yourself for what was obviously a money pit. Failing fast and moving on is a better scenario than repeatedly sinking costs into that failure.

I would make jettisoning Exum a top-3 priority this offseason. I would even weigh using the stretch provision on him if the Jazz can land a real player with that added capspace (~$6 million) and can't find another/better route. I would prefer trading him for a real player or trading him for a less-expensive contract.

The Jazz have to shoot their shot this offseason, and Exum is straight up in the way.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think I've somehow gone to one of the bigger Exum supporters on the board because everyone has completely turned on him. I think he's still super valuable as a defender against the best teams. No point in selling low on him.

Perimeter defenders that are bad at basketball (saying nothing of his abject inability to stay healthy) aren't worth half of what Exum's being paid (in a cap year).

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Perimeter defenders that are bad at basketball aren't worth half of what Exum's being paid (in a cap year).

Ehh, I think they can be. Exum is still the best perimeter defender on the team against guys like Curry and Harden. That's extremely important. I don't think his contract is an issue in any way.

 

[stitches]

I mean, that's what DL avoided doing last year and everyone spent a year ******** on him for it.

I don't mind what he's done. If we didn't have a chance to sign high impact FA, staying pat was the better course of action, IMO.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Ehh, I think they can be. Exum is still the best perimeter defender on the team against guys like Curry and Harden. That's extremely important. I don't think his contract is an issue in any way.

It is quantifiably an issue. By $10.6 million. In a cap year.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

It is quantifiably an issue. By $10.6 million. In a cap year.

He isnt getting paid 10.6.

 

[stitches]

This is our offseason to strike imo… so if we don't get the high impact guy I'm fine signing good players to solid contracts and hoping they contribute or outperform their salaries. Having multiple guys on fair deals could help land the 3rd star in a trade. I look at what Jimmy Butler was traded for and say... Covington is a fine player on a good contract... Saric is a decent contributor on a rookie deal, but not a high upside dude... that netted a two way all-star (with some issues of course). You may just end up with a couple Aminu type players on good deals, and have to get lucky in the draft. If those guys are performing at their salary you could move off of them and likely get assets. Example if Sacramento wanted to move Bjelica for no returning salary could they do it? (I say yes.) Would they get at least a second round pick for their trouble? (I think so)

Next year's FA crop looks rough.. go for the big swings, but if they don't pan out don't use all the money running it back or on one year deals. Those haven't given us enough trade value last few years to get anything done. Actually take a few measured fliers and risk that they might not perform.

The problem is that FAs don't come to Utah for fair value that's easy to outperform. They come for overpayment... so it's much less likely they surpass that value. Just an example... how much do you think it would take for us to get Jeremy Lamb? What about Terrence Ross?

In general IMO when it's almost guaranteed you are going to overpay for whoever comes to us, overpay for the best possible player you can get...