Abortion Bills in the South

[Stars Fan]

The point is irresponsible ejaculations, not the entire burden of birth control being the responsibility of men. I consider it irresponsible to not be aware of what birth control methods are in play and how they are affecting their partners. I don't believe the point is that women should concede their fertility decisions to men. But there is nowhere near equality in birth control issues.

Agreed.

 

[Stars Fan]

The standard has been viability because that is when the fetus can survive on its own.

But viability is really a question of technology. Viability is based in part on what support systems are available to the fetus after exit from the womb. That is why these new bills are trying to force the Supreme Court to rule on the heart beat issue. If they can get the courts to recognize a fetus with a heart beat as a individual with rights, it could change everything. There is no guarantee the court will hear the cases though. More than likely this will stretch through the election cycle. Look for a spin that Dems are baby killers, chock full of anecdotes of late term abortions, and "viable" fetuses (feti?) being snuffed out, with the focus on the consequences of unwanted pregnancies, rather than the irresponsible ejaculations that caused them.

 

[cowhide]

People who are for these laws are against freedom of choice. The right who is constantly complaining how their rights are be trampled on, certainly love trampling on a women's right to choose what happens to her body. Trying to defend this as a moral issue is hypocritical and unconstitutional. You know that thing called freedom of religion. The gov't does not have a right to impose the Christian's belief system on others. Everyone has a right to believe what they want but when you start imposing your "moral" beliefs on others then you cannot claim religious freedom as a right if you don't protect the right for everyone.

 

[Harambe]

The discussion her, and in America in general, never seems to advance to the point of asking "at what point". That's where the big question should be answered IMO. It is a collective decision lying in grey area, but I think we can be grown ups and at least attempt to put together that definition like most other developed countries have.

We are extremely immature with our politics here. Dogmatic AF (that means and fanatical, colton).

Dis guy's right. Pause all the parentage, ownership, financial, social questions, and get together to discuss an initial line.

People like me believe life is sentience(yeah, barbaric, **** you too). Others when pain can be observed. Others still believe the moment of conception. We haven't defined a common bar yet. That needs to happen if we're going to make true progress.

 

[Stoked]

Dis guy's right. Pause all the parentage, ownership, financial, social questions, and get together to discuss an initial line.

People like me believe life is sentience(yeah, barbaric, **** you too). Others when pain can be observed. Others still believe the moment of conception. We haven't defined a common bar yet. That needs to happen if we're going to make true progress.

That’s never going to happen. Will you convinces a life begins and conception advocate? No

Will they convince you? No

There we have it. So we muddle our way forward pissing everyone off and calling people baby killers, sexist and all the rest.

 

[Harambe]

That’s never going to happen. Will you convinces a life begins and conception advocate? No

Will they convince you? No

There we have it. So we muddle our way forward pissing everyone off and calling people baby killers, sexist and all the rest.

I agree neither side will be convinced or swayed of an ultimate truth.

I want to believe everyone can sign off on a middle ground, and make their own decisions according to that middle ground from there.

 

[Stoked]

I agree neither side will be convinced or swayed of an ultimate truth.

I want to believe everyone can sign off on a middle ground, and make their own decisions according to that middle ground from there.

It sounds good but have you seen any sign of that?

Those that feel abortion is murder still see murder being allowed.

Those that are on the other extreme still see sexism and the evils of men.

So, we end up with talk of abortions at atms if sexist men were the ones getting pregnant and “executing babies” for anytime an abortion happens.

And tbh, neither side side wants a solution. They want it their way.

And we have a fundamental lack of leadership in this country. The parties have become ugly, stupid representations of each sides fringes.

Ok I’m done.

Back to sexist baby killing.

 

[fishonjazz]

And tbh, neither side side wants a solution. They want it their way.

I wish that with big nation wide mainstream issues like this that we would use democracy more.

Do a Nationwide vote. If my side loses then I can live with that knowing that I'm in the minority.

I think we should do the same thing with marijuana legalization. Let America decide through a vote.

Gay marriage, gun control, etc etc.
None of that electoral college **** either.

And since society changes and evolves maybe we do another vote on those types of things every 10 years or so.

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[Harambe]

It sounds good but have you seen any sign of that?

Those that feel abortion is murder still see murder being allowed.

Those that are on the other extreme still see sexism and the evils of men.

So, we end up with talk of abortions at atms if sexist men were the ones getting pregnant and “executing babies” for anytime an abortion happens.

And tbh, neither side side wants a solution. They want it their way.

And we have a fundamental lack of leadership in this country. The parties have become ugly, stupid representations of each sides fringes.

Ok I’m done.

Back to sexist baby killing.

If we go past the life question, we have the equality question. I'm not a woman, so I can't really argue as one. But as a man, can you not recognize that after conception, you simply don't have the burdens a mother does for the next nine months? Doesn't that sound like nine months of involuntary servitude for mothers, and nine months of "doesn't matter, had sex" for the father? Why shouldn't the mother have a choice just as easily as the father?

And don't say don't have sex. Neither gender wants to not have sex. That's simply not in the cards. Abstinence only, although admirable, is a joke.

 

[Stoked]

If we go past the life question, we have the equality question. I'm not a woman, so I can't really argue as one. But as a man, can you not recognize that after conception, you simply don't have the burdens a mother does for the next nine months? Doesn't that sound like nine months of involuntary servitude for mothers, and nine months of "doesn't matter, had sex" for the father? Why shouldn't the mother have a choice just as easily as the father?

And don't say don't have sex. Neither gender wants to not have sex. That's simply not in the cards. Abstinence only, although admirable, is a joke.

Anyone who isn’t an intentionally blind ******* can clearly see that the physical, mental and physiological burdens of a woman clearly outweighs any “burdens” a man gets from a pregnancy.

Also I’m not anti abortion. I think the mother should have a choice. It’s an ugly one, to me at least, but one the should have.

For me I say 20 weeks. It’s the best compromise I can make with myself on this volatile issue. After that I say extreme life endangerment or other severe harm to the mother or unborn child should be allowed.

At a certain point, I don’t know when, the unborn child does become a person. One deserving of the laws and societies protection. 20 weeks is the best I can do.

It’s just ugly all around to me

Side notes. I think vasectomy should be much more widely used my men that don’t want kids. I had my kids and got snipped. No more “irresponsible ejaculations” for me.

I think men should have a legal pathway to a financial abortion to any unwanted child.

 

[Harambe]

Anyone who isn’t an intentionally blind ******* can clearly see that the physical, mental and physiological burdens of a woman clearly outweighs any “burdens” a man gets from a pregnancy.

Also I’m not anti abortion. I think the mother should have a choice. It’s an ugly one, to me at least, but one the should have.

For me I say 20 weeks. It’s the best compromise I can make with myself on this volatile issue. After that I say extreme life endangerment or other severe harm to the mother or unborn child should be allowed.

At a certain point, I don’t know when, the unborn child does become a person. One deserving of the laws and societies protection. 20 weeks is the best I can do.

It’s just ugly all around to me

Side notes. I think vasectomy should be much more widely used my men that don’t want kids. I had my kids and got snipped. No more “irresponsible ejaculations” for me.

I think men should have a legal pathway to a financial abortion to any unwanted child.

Someone's gonna have to face ugly choices. But it should be everyone involved. Maybe by this magic 5 month date, all party's involved make a decision, or it terms?

 

[Stoked]

Someone's gonna have to face ugly choices. But it should be everyone involved. Maybe by this magic 5 month date, all party's involved make a decision, or it terms?

Sure why not. Put it on the 2020 ballot and watch the pro and anti groups vote against it lol