Will You Accept the Findings of the Muller Probe?

[Red]

In the session where Trump asked several contestants in his "what was my demeanor"? quiz, twice, including immediately before asking the first person, he predicated what he was asking by saying the Democrats "always" create the narrative that he leaves meetings "yelling and screaming".

Yet, in the Pelosi/Schumer presser after the broken meeting, all Pelosi would say about his appearance was "well, I won't even characterize it." Schumer said what he saw "would make your jaw drop". In her solo presser the next day, Pelosi said he "stormed" out of the room, and she pounded her fists twice on her lecturn, to imitate Trump's display before he left. I suspect, just a guess, that that might be what Schumer was referring to. And that's pretty believable to me. Nobody said he left the meeting "yelling and screaming".

But this is what Trump does. Makes up "yelling and screaming" before listening to his attendees echo his claim of calmness. He overstates what Pelosi and Schumer said, in order to enhance his victim card.

And in that same session, he brings up the central motif of his victim card. He was the victim of an attempted ”coup", a "takedown of the president". This is the theme he is selling his ardent followers, his base. It lends itself naturally to that base's belief that it has always been exactly as he himself said: they've been trying to take him down since he descended the escalator.

We should expect AG Barr to develop information from declassified documents to support this victim narrative. He will find something(s) that can be interpreted as helping Trump, and he will say not one word on anything that would reflect poorly on Trump. Which will be used through the election cycle.



This is banana republic stuff.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Trump doesn’t need to deny that he went on a tirade against Pelosi and Schumer a few days ago. We see him daily losing his cool either on camera or on twitter. He pretends that he’s not the main tv star (nightmare) is everyday in America.

I’d like to see him taken out just so this trump drama show finally ends.

Anyone else remember when the president wasn’t the center of attention everyday? It really wasn’t that long ago... the sooner we return to normalcy, the better. Begin impeachment now!

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Where was all this outrage when the Bush administration invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, gave everyone's personal communications to the NSA, and handed over more than $1 trillion in taxpayer funds to insolvent banks?

 

[Zombie]

Where was all this outrage when the Bush administration invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, gave everyone's personal communications to the NSA, and handed over more than $1 trillion in taxpayer funds to insolvent banks?

Idk I remember quite a few people pretty upset with all of that. Pretty sure we were accused of being un-American traitors at the time too.

 

[Hotdog]

Where was all this outrage when the Bush administration invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, gave everyone's personal communications to the NSA, and handed over more than $1 trillion in taxpayer funds to insolvent banks?

Ive been very critical of all those things.

The Bush administration was corrupt. Far more corrupt than what people imagine Trump is.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Idk I remember quite a few people pretty upset with all of that. Pretty sure we were accused of being un-American traitors at the time too.

It just seems absurd this daily drum beat of faux outrage over every little thing that Trump does or doesn't do. The whole Mueller investigation was based on a pretense of collusion and conspiracy with the Russian government, implying that the result of the 2016 election was somehow adulterated. Now the Russia narrative has all but been abandoned, and the debate has shifted over to the extent to which the Trump administration interfered with Mueller's investigation. Fine, but given that the investigation was based on a false accusation against him to begin with, exactly how compliant is Trump expected to be in the investigation? Now the circumstances under which the Mueller investigation began have been reviewed by three separate teams within the Justice Department, and it sure sounds like the DNC and James Comey are the ones who are going to be implicated.

Meanwhile you *******s and the liberal media think there are grounds for impeachment. You guys need to understand that this is the same pettiness and obvious media bias that galvanized Republicans and Independents to elect Trump in the first place. Trump's approval ratings have actually gone up and are rising, even with Democrats. Complaining about Trump's demeanor is only going to get you so far. The fact is, he's a very strong figure at this point, he's pushing forward a conservative agenda step by step, and the Dems can't agree among themselves what their platform even is. They've become the anti-Trump party, and that's about it.

Yes, Trump is a boorish frat guy. Yes, he's been crude towards women and had affairs with models and porn stars. He's self infatuated and has character flaws. People knew that the last time. The issues that are going to determine the outcome of this next election cycle are the state of the economy, whether or not there should be a return to Obama-care, and the debate over abortion vs. pro-life potentially heading back to the SCOTUS. That's it. Immigration will come up, but it's a tangential issue. Dems would be better off focusing on things that are real, or they're going to lose again.

 

[Zombie]

It just seems absurd this daily drum beat of faux outrage over every little thing that Trump does or doesn't do. The whole Mueller investigation was based on a pretense of collusion and conspiracy with the Russian government, implying that the result of the 2016 election was somehow adulterated. Now the Russia narrative has all but been abandoned, and the debate has shifted over to the extent to which the Trump administration interfered with Mueller's investigation. Fine, but given that the investigation was based on a false accusation against him to begin with, exactly how compliant is Trump expected to be in the investigation? Now the circumstances under which the Mueller investigation began have been reviewed by three separate teams within the Justice Department, and it sure sounds like the DNC and James Comey are the ones who are going to be implicated.

Meanwhile you *******s and the liberal media think there are grounds for impeachment. You guys need to understand that this is the same pettiness and obvious media bias that galvanized Republicans and Independents to elect Trump in the first place. Trump's approval ratings have actually gone up and are rising, even with Democrats. Complaining about Trump's demeanor is only going to get you so far. The fact is, he's a very strong figure at this point, he's pushing forward a conservative agenda step by step, and the Dems can't agree among themselves what their platform even is. They've become the anti-Trump party, and that's about it.

Yes, Trump is a boorish frat guy. Yes, he's been crude towards women and had affairs with models and porn stars. He's self infatuated and has character flaws. People knew that the last time. The issues that are going to determine the outcome of this next election cycle are the state of the economy, whether or not there should be a return to Obama-care, and the debate over abortion vs. pro-life potentially heading back to the SCOTUS. That's it. Immigration will come up, but it's a tangential issue. Dems would be better off focusing on things that are real, or they're going to lose again.

Thanks for the advice (and the patronizing rant), but I don't think what gets talked about on this message board forum has much relevance wrt whether or not Trump will get reelected.

Also you don't seem to have a great understanding of why obstruction of justice is considered such a serious offense. Most of the times it is successfully prosecuted the original underlying crime is not because of, wait for it, the obstruction of justice. The idea that presidents should be free to interfere with any investigations they find personally unfounded is a pretty ****ing bad precedent for a healthy democracy.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It just seems absurd this daily drum beat of faux outrage over every little thing that Trump does or doesn't do. The whole Mueller investigation was based on a pretense of collusion and conspiracy with the Russian government, implying that the result of the 2016 election was somehow adulterated. Now the Russia narrative has all but been abandoned, and the debate has shifted over to the extent to which the Trump administration interfered with Mueller's investigation. Fine, but given that the investigation was based on a false accusation against him to begin with, exactly how compliant is Trump expected to be in the investigation? Now the circumstances under which the Mueller investigation began have been reviewed by three separate teams within the Justice Department, and it sure sounds like the DNC and James Comey are the ones who are going to be implicated.

Meanwhile you *******s and the liberal media think there are grounds for impeachment. You guys need to understand that this is the same pettiness and obvious media bias that galvanized Republicans and Independents to elect Trump in the first place. Trump's approval ratings have actually gone up and are rising, even with Democrats. Complaining about Trump's demeanor is only going to get you so far. The fact is, he's a very strong figure at this point, he's pushing forward a conservative agenda step by step, and the Dems can't agree among themselves what their platform even is. They've become the anti-Trump party, and that's about it.

Yes, Trump is a boorish frat guy. Yes, he's been crude towards women and had affairs with models and porn stars. He's self infatuated and has character flaws. People knew that the last time. The issues that are going to determine the outcome of this next election cycle are the state of the economy, whether or not there should be a return to Obama-care, and the debate over abortion vs. pro-life potentially heading back to the SCOTUS. That's it. Immigration will come up, but it's a tangential issue. Dems would be better off focusing on things that are real, or they're going to lose again.

I wasn’t born when Jonestown happened and I was pretty young when Hale Bopp (Heaven’s Gate) thing happened but if you are this deep into Trump’s cult then you should immediately seek medical attention.

It seems like in order to be a member of Trump’s cult you need to be completely divorced from reality. Where was the outrage against Bush? I don’t know, but The 2006 midterms and the 2008 general and Bush’s 20ish percent approval ratings seemed to indicate the public's Outrage against him.

Where was the outrage against bank bailouts? Seriously? There was Plenty of outrage. Fortunately, there were enough sane people out there who recognized that keeping our financial system solvent in order to avoid a worldwide depression was worth the anger against those financial institutions.

Like I said, if you can’t see why separating immigrant children from their parents at the border, abusing powers in unprecedented ways, obstructing justice, and tweeting out stuff like this flirting with the world’s worst doesn’t trigger genuine loathing, please seek medical attention.

 

[Deleted member 365]

It's blank now because the tweet was removed. But it worked for me when I saw @The Thriller's post earlier. Here's an article about it for you: https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...eapons-kim-jong-un-dissed-joe-biden-for-me-22

Doesn't surprise me that a grown-up made Trump remove a tweet praising Kim Jong Un for mocking "Joe Bidan" instead of being concerned about North Korea's recent weapons testing.

Correct. Trump tried to “cover-up” his earlier tweet but fortunately there were plenty of screenshots taken. The content still doesn’t change. He’s flirting with one of the world’s worst dictators and praising him for mocking a political opponent.

For those who think trump is unjustly criticized, anyone want to guess how the right would’ve reacted if Obama had done the same thing? Imagine Obama in 2011-2012 flirting with the leaders of Iran and praising them for insulting Romney. How would republicans have responded?

 

[Gameface]

Where was all this outrage when the Bush administration invaded Iraq and Afghanistan, gave everyone's personal communications to the NSA, and handed over more than $1 trillion in taxpayer funds to insolvent banks?

There was a lot of outrage, sorry you missed it.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Thanks for the advice (and the patronizing rant), but I don't think what gets talked about on this message board forum has much relevance wrt whether or not Trump will get reelected.

Also you don't seem to have a great understanding of why obstruction of justice is considered such a serious offense. Most of the times it is successfully prosecuted the original underlying crime is not because of, wait for it, the obstruction of justice. The idea that presidents should be free to interfere with any investigations they find personally unfounded is a pretty ****ing bad precedent for a healthy democracy.

Remember when Bush called for executing the former head of the FBI? Or when he praised a foreign dictator for trashing Kerry? You libs and your faux outrage...

 

[Deleted member 365]

There was a lot of outrage, sorry you missed it.

Right? It’s like he missed that entire 2008-2012 era of protests in the streets and town halls including the tea party and occupy Wall Street.

Catchall and the rest of the Trumpers here (and beyond) are Ignorant cultist rubes. The sooner they seek medical attention to detox from populist hate and trump cult adoration, the better.

“But Thrill! You need to seek the understanding of ignorant rubes. They’re true Americans who just need to be pandered and coddled to. They’ll eventually be happy if we coddle them enough and give them whatever they want, like farm handouts, conservative judges, and control over all 3 branches of government. The support a demagogue because they’re just misunderstood. Let’s have cnn interview yet another red hat at some rural diner.”

Sigh