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Conley Officially a Jazzman

If the league moved to a 16 team playoff format regardless of conference, I have no doubt the west would command 10 or 11 of those teams.
 
Ron Mexico said:
He creates more space then anyone on offense. There is a reason he is at the top of most advanced stats even on offense. His pull is huge off the screen. Generally he demands the attention of 3 players.
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Zombie said:
I don't know man, I'm probably not as high on Allen as you are, he had one really good game, but as an older guy entering the league he doesn't have a ton of upside imo.

You've got to give up something to get a player like Conley, especially with other teams interested in him as well. Late first rounders are such a crap shoot, the risk involved is more than worth the potential Conley has to improve this team on both sides of the ball.
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i get tired of the older guy assumption that they must be ready when they come into the league. how many actually are and how many players can immediately jump into the rotation on a playoff team w/ 5 or 6 already established guards/wings like allen had to try to? buddy hield took some years, cj mccollum took years, jj redick took years, etc. all upperclassmen guards. it's a huge step up from highschool to college, and then college to nba whether for an 18 y/o or 22 y/o. you have to get game experience to improve of which he saw very little, but clearly was on an upward trajectory the last quarter of the season from gleague and then back up to the nba. yet exum remains a bust on an unearned contract with the front office still coveting him for some reason. i'm not annoyed they traded allen, i'm annoyed that they continue to prioritize exum + gave up 2 additional firsts. i agree with a win now move, i just don't like the future cost.
 
KqWIN said:
Mike Conley play type numbers:

Pick and Roll Ball Handler - 8.4 Poss/gm (10th in NBA), 0.96 PPP (80.9 percentile)
Isolation - 1.8 Poss/gm , 1.03 PPP (82.4 percentile)
Handoff - 1.5 Poss/gm, 1.03 PPP (72.4 percentile)
Spot Up - 2.4 Poss/GM, 1.14 PPP (85.9 percentile)
Off Screen - 2.0 Pos/gm (T22 in NBA), 1.11 PPP (85.8 percentile)

He's good at everything he does. How will this fit into our existing offense.

Pick and Roll

Mitchell - 11.1 Poss/gm (3rd in NBA), 0.95 PPP (78.7 percentile)
Rubio - 5.0 Poss/gm, 0.78 PPP (38.9 percentile)
Ingles - 4.0 Poss/gm, 0.76 PPP (35.3 percentile)

Spot Up

Mitchell - 3.0 Poss/gm, 1.23 PPP (93.3 percentile)
Rubio - 3.6 Poss/gm, 0.89 PPP (30.3 percentile)
Ingles - 2.9 Poss/gm, 1.13 PPP (82.6 percentile)


The Jazz now have two of the top pick and roll scorers in the league. All of Rubio's PnR possessions will be replaced by Conley. We're going from one of the worst to one of the best. Mitchell, Conley, and Ingles will likely all see their counts down, but in theory those should shift over to spot ups as they play more off the ball. All three are very good spot up shooters.

Conley is great everywhere and will replace Rubio's possessions, who is bad everywhere. We'll see Mitchell do less on the ball where he is good, and more off the ball where he is elite. Ingles will see more spot up chances and won't have to be in the PnR as much where he is incredibly turnover prone.

We lose a lot with Jae and Korver. But we should be a top 10 offense next season with good health. Top 3 defense, top 10 offense...that's a 55 win team.
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^ good info here. this was one of the sticking points for me when I was looking at our numbers from last year - only Mitchell had anything resembling efficient on-ball offense, while everyone else was horrendous. We desperately needed someone to help him shouldering the load and setting him up for some of the playtypes he's even better at.

Conley is a great player and amazing fit if he keeps playing like that and stays healthy.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Sometimes the level of shill that Locke is is unpalatable. He’s spent as much time stressing how much Favors doesn’t work on this team than probably any single point this offseason, but now he’s celebrating that we might keep him at the expense of our capspace we’ve been trying to retain for several seasons and our first rounders, not to mention the best stretch four we’ve had? Doesn’t jive.
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*jibe, not jive
 
MVP said:
In 3 out of 4 losses Rudy had worst +/- numbers by far on our team. In our lonely win by 16 he was only +2 and played least minutes in any of 5 games and we won mostly to making a run when Favors was on the floor at 5.... If you people do not see the obvious I have nothing else to say.
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I saw it. And after was convinced that a buddy of mine might be right. Same take as you. That Gobert may be the odd man out. But before I agree to that narrative I need more proof. But it is an interesting take indeed.
 
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UB said:
Exum might cling mightily to #11 because that's the number of games he's played on average each year. It's a special number to him. It also is the number that looks like his legs, spindly and stick-like.
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Lol
 
colton said:
If the Jazz release Favors they are significantly under the cap, aren't they?
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I posted this earlier (I think it is correct) that if the Jazz waive all players with cap holds and let Favors, Neto and Niang go they can offer a single FA up to $19,120,132 or split $20,017,290 across two FAs.

Conley 32,511,623
Rudy 25,008,427
Ingles 11,954,546
Exum 9,600,000
Mitchell 3,635,760
Bradley 1,962,360
O'Neale 1,618,520
Min contract 897,158
Min contract 897,158
Min contract 897,158
Min contract 897,158
Free Agent 19,120,132
Total 109,000,000
 
As Lindsey's biggest critic, I have to give him credit for getting a deal done. And he did it without giving up two players he believes to be key contributors: Favors and Exum.

I doubt he made this deal without gauging the interest of FA's to be like Harris and Walker. Hate to give up Jae, but the reality is that Crowder was much like Booker...tough, likable guys who were inefficient.

Never did like Allen, so meh on goving him up. Picks in the late-mid 20's are easily replaceable.

Jazz now have a very solid main 6 (including Royce) - maybe 7 if Dante rises from the ded

Good deal, imo. Yes, expensive. But Jazz are a better team.
 
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jazzETX said:
i get tired of the older guy assumption that they must be ready when they come into the league. how many actually are and how many players can immediately jump into the rotation on a playoff team w/ 5 or 6 already established guards/wings like allen had to try to? buddy hield took some years, cj mccollum took years, jj redick took years, etc. all upperclassmen guards. it's a huge step up from highschool to college, and then college to nba whether for an 18 y/o or 22 y/o. you have to get game experience to improve of which he saw very little, but clearly was on an upward trajectory the last quarter of the season from gleague and then back up to the nba. yet exum remains a bust on an unearned contract with the front office still coveting him for some reason. i'm not annoyed they traded allen, i'm annoyed that they continue to prioritize exum + gave up 2 additional firsts. i agree with a win now move, i just don't like the future cost.
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I gotcha, and I agree with you in that I'd have rather seen Exum go than Grayson. Late firsts just don't bother me much for what Conley brings, we've got a window this season now. That's incredibly exciting.
 
Zombie said:
I gotcha, and I agree with you in that I'd have rather seen Exum go than Grayson. Late firsts just don't bother me much for what Conley brings, we've got a window this season now. That's incredibly exciting.
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the second first we gave up may very well be a high pick
 
framer said:
I just like how when he drives, two or three people have to collapse on him. Wish someone would put a video together of him running the pick and roll.
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Look at that pass at the 1 minute mark (2:12 too). He played so well off Gasol screens (and then Valanciunas and Noah). Imagine that with Rudy

 
Bet some people complained in toronto when they traded for leonard lol


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