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Oh Good! A War With Iran!

Stoked said:
Ugh...

What are the odds we just employ “lethal deterrence” instead of active war? Basically Iran, you do you. Come and go and talk to who you please. But come near our stuff and your units die. harass any ship, planes or tankers and the offending Iranian units die.
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Slim. I wouldn't be surprised for Trump to wage his own full on war. It's the only thing as president he can do that he hasn't really done yet, his last toy to play with so to speak.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Slim. I wouldn't be surprised for Trump to wage his own full on war. It's the only thing as president he can do that he hasn't really done yet, his last toy to play with so to speak.
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From what I’ve read he doesn’t want war but his advisors, Bolton specifically, do.
 
I've counted some Iranians as friends since 1968. I don't talk to them much, or often, but here's the gist..... Back in the day, the Shah had more "intelligence agents" here in the US than real students or green card legal honest folks, just watching out for disloyalty or revolution.... commies, let's say.

Since the Ayatollah/Nazi ideologues....the remnants of Hitler's agents in Iran during WWII.... took over..... well, let's say, it turned out the "commies" the Shah was worried about weren't real commies at all. Some were tools of US intelligence special units, little different, really, from Russia's "tools of KGB intelligence". Agitators seeking little angles of control and influence in an independent country..... Machiavellian schemers.....

Nobody can claim to run Iran today. The so-called "religious fanatics" of the Iranian government are Western educated, and know all about western intrigue, Russian intrigue, and Chinese intrigue. They simply believe they have the right to have their independence, and their own foreign policy like other "Big Shots" with the power and tools it takes to be independent.

They still believe Jews.... international banker Jews in particular..... are as much the problem with the world, as Hitler ever did.

Israeli government officials believe they are that bad.

Russia's "meddling" in Iran and the Middle East is not all the bad we could imagine. Russia has a fairly positive view of Israel, and uses their influence to intimidate/control the Iranian racists. Assad was not nearly the bad in Syria that our Press makes him out to be, either. Assad protected the 25% of his people who were Christian, and who were essential to his power base.

What went wrong was our idiot President Obama, and Hitler Hillary.... and yes, she is not a democrat by any stretch.... she is R for Rockefeller, the most deranged Secretary of State we ever had. Obama and Hillary contrived to help ISIS get up and running, made arms available.... cash flow available. Without Obama and Hillary, ISIS would never have happened, and would not have prospered, nor lasted. Obama tried to "buy Iran" with billions in outright cash for terrorism, and with a deal that would have in fact enabled Iranian nuclear development. But Iran is smarter than Obama, and never would have become a "good boy" in the New World Order, compliant with Western or any other kind of agenda.

Iranian leaders might be smarter than Trump, too. Genocidal genius generally won't seek alliance. The only thing that will really help Iran is general world sympathy for the majority of peon Iranians, generous asylum rules, and humanitarian aid that does not feed the monster government.

And really, really serious anti-terrorism and punishment of Iranian allies/tools around the world. The serious attack should be on the ideological terrorists where ever they are. The best we can hope for is that the old guard will be so miserably and so catastrophically failed, nobody will want to try to continue their hate-based world view.

So, Trump, don't be a jackass. Shock and Awe military adventurism is stupid here.
 
Call me crazy, but Our incoherent foreign policy seems to be the result of having an incompetent CinC. But I know that can’t be it...

What exactly are we trying to accomplish with Iran again?
 
Zombie said:
Yeah, OK sure, but this this time it'll be different. There's no way this could blow up in our faces and create decades of unintended consequences.
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You’re wrong. Isis was created by Hillary cuz Benghazi she planned to take out the ambassador because he was going to reveal that she was secretly selling arms to terrorists in Libya. Also, uranium one. Those two things created isis. The Iraqi invasion brought freedumb to Iraqis and freedumb fries to America.
 
One Brow said:
A third option is that of being convinced of a result, and examining all the evidence in a manner to support your conviction.
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It was widely reported that George Tenet (a Clinton appointee) was pressured by Bush to find intelligence for Iraqi WMDs. That unique bias skewed the intelligence gathering. It’s difficult to provide the country with accurate information if you’re working under the assumption that iraq already has WMD program and your job was to provide evidence of the assumption rather than finding evidence that leads you to assume that Iraq might have a wmd program.

Furthermore, someone here asked the question why Hussein didn’t allow inspectors to come.

It’s simple, who’s his neighbor? If Iran knew he didn’t have WMDs, his power would’ve been weakened and Iran would’ve been empowered. In Hussein’s view, maintaining the belief that he had WMDs kept Iran from interfering in his country. However, when he saw that the USA was serious about invading, he offered his country to be inspected, we declined.

America wanted its war with him.

Also, those who think that America didn’t support this war are kidding themselves. I don’t think 90 percent of the country would’ve supported it. But I do believe we the majority sure would’ve. People forget how popular Bush was post 9/11 and pre Katrina.
 
The Thriller said:
Also, those who think that America didn’t support this war are kidding themselves. I don’t think 90 percent of the country would’ve supported it. But I do believe we the majority sure would’ve. People forget how popular Bush was post 9/11 and pre Katrina.
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I distinctly remember a sizable number of people's were against war with Iraq. Yes, a majority supported it, but I'm not suffering from false memory syndrome. I certainly was far from alone in thinking it was a mistake....

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...-united-states-before-and-after-the-iraq-war/

"Iraq dominated the headlines throughout the fall of 2002 and into the winter of 2003. Public opinion on the wisdom of war, however, stabilized relatively early and slightly in favor of war. Gallup found that from August 2002 through early March 2003 the share of Americans favoring war hovered in a relatively narrow range between a low of 52 percent and a high of 59 percent. By contrast, the share of the public opposed to war fluctuated between 35 percent and 43 percent."
 
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