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Oh Good! A War With Iran!

Red said:
I distinctly remember a sizable number of people's were against war with Iraq. Yes, a majority supported it, but I'm not suffering from false memory syndrome. I certainly was far from alone in thinking it was a mistake....

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...-united-states-before-and-after-the-iraq-war/

"Iraq dominated the headlines throughout the fall of 2002 and into the winter of 2003. Public opinion on the wisdom of war, however, stabilized relatively early and slightly in favor of war. Gallup found that from August 2002 through early March 2003 the share of Americans favoring war hovered in a relatively narrow range between a low of 52 percent and a high of 59 percent. By contrast, the share of the public opposed to war fluctuated between 35 percent and 43 percent."
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To say it was divisive is an understatement. The revisionist history I find irritating is from the people who voted for it in Congress, using the same intelligence bush had in the first place and obviously interpreting it the same way, who then completely backpedal and say "I never agreed with this, we were lied to" as if they never read the same reports. That's next-level denial **** right there, almost Trump-like in the ability to lie and backpedal with a straight face.
 
Just skimming the comments above...… pretty good I think all around.

I was a sort of Rand/Ron Paul believer that American foreign policy had been hijacked by megalomaniacal exploiters of progressive idealism/globalism..... making the US taxpayer foot the bill for grand schemes to render the world compliant with the grand dreams..... well, at least the specific interests of the top tier fascists who have the global management frame of mind. And the dumbass American patriots who believe in freedom do the grunt boots on the ground to make the World Great.

Dems and Repubs and our media were all on board with the Iraq war. You couldn't get a word in edgewise. I was calling in, actually "On Air" with Doug Wright on KSL trying to explain why we shouldn't go to war in Iraq when Sen. Bennet, Utah's elitist CFR errand boy bumped me and Doug just dropped my comments mid-sentence, breathless announcing Sen Bennett wanting to push NAFTA to the good folks of Utah....

Good of you all, now, to see American intervention for "higher causes" on the world stage as problematic.

I think Iran is deeply divided internally. A military strike would work to unite them. Better to just double down on the sanctions that affect the government operations the most, and find ways to get humanitarian aid into Iran while doing so..... There are organized Persian groups seeking to do a popular revolution in a manner that will unite the ordinary people effectively. moderate religious elements, westernized elements. I have taken occasion to advise them that they should not seek, nor rely on "American" help because we are too committed to world agendas we will mess up the locals and just ruin their efforts. We don't want our CIA or psy=op globalist operators having a hand in it.

We have lots of ways to give the Persians a chance, a clear shot, at their own solution. Just don't intervene.

Obama did the Iranian people a great disservice bankrolling the regime. He had no good reason to do that, except the misguided intent to gain a handle, a political handle, the "manage" things his way.

I don't think Russia wants to get into it, but China under Xi still isn't tired of trying to insert leverage. Outside leverage will be resented. Persia... Iran... is a culture, though "balkanized" into tribal and local factions with ages of local resentments, that is on the whole proud.... and as ancient as China. Nobody from the outside has ever run Iran.

Nobody.

Alexander the Great made it into Persia, but could not control it, and died trying.

Nobody will ever "manage" Iran with any grand global vision.

They will, of their devices, establish a modern nation with influence the world over, that is not some damn fundamentalist religious dictatorship.

Zoroastrianism just isn't ever going to be any government's religion.
 
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A war with Iran? Pffft. Child’s play.

I want the main course. America versus the world!

 
Stoked said:
A war with Iran? Pffft. Child’s play.

I want the main course. America versus the world!

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I've long said that the biggest advantage the U.S. military has is logistics. Getting the military power where it needs to be when it needs to be there. No other nation is even in the same universe in that regard.

What the video doesn't get into is that the U.S. military is the most practiced military. Every generation of leadership in the U.S. military has engaged in real world military conflicts. We have WAY more actual experience using our military in real world situations than all the rest of the world combined.

Another huge advantage is that the U.S. is pretty much the only nation with a massive civilian gun culture. The best shooters are not trained by the military, they learn from their dads, uncles and grandpas. They go out shooting several times a year from a relatively early age. They go hunting. The military can train a person how to shoot, but the U.S. military has the massive advantage of having a very good portion of their enlistees entering with a lifetime of firearm experience. People may underestimate how much that matters, but it matters.

Iraq believed that the U.S. had a weak stomach for war. That the first sign of American blood would send us reeling. They thought we could only fight if we had massive advantages and suffered minimal losses. I think the extended occupation with snipers and IEDs showed that the U.S. would absolutely withstand casualties and continue to operate at the highest level.

So there are all those factors and then the fact that the U.S. has the most military equipment. The newest military equipment. The best soldiers, sailors and airmen.

I think much of the U.S. advantage could be negated though. I think our enemies are smart and that we underestimate them. We could easily be provoked into a trap and then commit a number of subsequent blunders before realizing that the world (Really, what I worry about is the alliance of BRIC) has been carefully planning for that very day and we are attacked all at once with our pants down after already suffering a major loss and subsequent misstep.

We have to know our enemies better than they know us. I don't think that's true ATM.
 
@Bulletproof

There’s a video about the world invading the US and if mentions the gun culture streak

Just see the Alleged Japanese quotes about a rifle behind every blade of grass during WW2
 
As for underestimating the world. I agree

In particular the resolve and dedication to winning or Russia and Britain.
 
A war with Iran would be such a travesty these days. Go spend billions overseas with all that can be fixed at home. And these war hawks (Bolton, Pompeo, Graham) beating the war drums as if nothing. Of course they’re not going to be sending any of their own to the battlefield, it truly is sickening.
 
One of my co-workers just honestly advocated for a preemptive nuclear strike on all of Iran. Literally killing all Iranians. Then he said we should do away with rules of engagement and be able to shoot and kill anyone we want in a war zone.

I was stunned. I finally told him that would make America the parish of the world and not even our closest Allies, like Britain, would stay with us. And that we’d deserve it for killing so many innocent people, including children.

He didn’t care for two reasons. 1. The dead wouldn't be Americans and 2. America didn’t need anyone as we had everything we need within our own territory.

I had to just walk away. I knew some people believed that but to hear it so brazen stated.
 
Stoked said:
One of my co-workers just honestly advocated for a preemptive nuclear strike on all of Iran. Literally killing all Iranians. Then he said we should do away with rules of engagement and be able to shoot and kill anyone we want in a war zone.

I was stunned. I finally told him that would make America the parish of the world and not even our closest Allies, like Britain, would stay with us. And that we’d deserve it for killing so many innocent people, including children.

He didn’t care for two reasons. 1. The dead wouldn't be Americans and 2. America didn’t need anyone as we had everything we need within our own territory.

I had to just walk away. I knew some people believed that but to hear it so brazen stated.
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It is pretty crazy how common that kind of opinion is.

Did he use the fun phrase "turn it into a glass parking lot." I hear that one a lot when people talk about nuking countries in the middle-east.
 
Stoked said:
One of my co-workers just honestly advocated for a preemptive nuclear strike on all of Iran. Literally killing all Iranians. Then he said we should do away with rules of engagement and be able to shoot and kill anyone we want in a war zone.

I was stunned. I finally told him that would make America the parish of the world and not even our closest Allies, like Britain, would stay with us. And that we’d deserve it for killing so many innocent people, including children.

He didn’t care for two reasons. 1. The dead wouldn't be Americans and 2. America didn’t need anyone as we had everything we need within our own territory.

I had to just walk away. I knew some people believed that but to hear it so brazen stated.
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It's crazy what happens when people are tuned into a media landscape that's spent decades dehumanizing and villainizing and entire region of the world.
 
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