InGameStrategy
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Fixed.
jazz identity under Corbin
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Brown Notes
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The Sloan = bad defense is garbage. That finals team played excellent D. When your front court is Jefferson/Boozer/Millsap there will be issues. For chrissakes I'm missing Memo's D.
You ARE aware that was ****ing 13+ years ago, right?
Disallowing hand-checking, allowing zone, and the growth of the 3-pointer as a deliberate weapon rendered about half of Sloan's strategy moot. And somehow, despite every statistical measurement in the world to show otherwise, fouling a guy on every possession always seemed to make sense too. Besides all of that, I don't believe you can just make excuses because your players aren't known for defense. All I know is great defensive coaches always seem to have good to great defensive teams regardless of personnel.
I don't know what the Jazz's identity will be, but until the team (and organization as a whole) commits itself to defense, this team isn't going anywhere. That much I do know.
Brown Notes
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I can agree with some of this. The game has changed and old school guys that won't use zone concepts are not taking full advantage. But personnel has a lot to do with it too. You can't have a great defense without having players that are great defenders. Thibodeu got a lot out of Korver and Boozer but that team also has Deng, Rose, and Noah. Likewise Carlisle wasn't trotting out Stevenson and Chandler for their scoring abilities.
In Utah the Jefferson/Millsap frontcourt simply cannot defend. No coach could fix that. So hopefully Favors becomes that anchor.
It's going to have some reflection of Sloan obviously.
Thee Jazz Fan
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The jazz were always decent during the Stockton Malone era. The Memo boozer era brought a new era of attitude from the players.
InGameStrategy
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I also can agree with only some of this. You're helping the argument by saying that Chicago was able to get more D out of Booze and KK, which points to my underlying thesis: Sloan, despite having a reputation for defense, didn't enforce it. From Sloan, rarely if ever did Boozer lose any time at all--not even from one whistle to the next--for dogging it on D. And game after game of AJ's iffy D had similar effects, even though alternatives were available to at least show these PFs that their playing time was not to be taken for granted, and occasionally they did put forth additional effort, implicitly admitting that they weren't giving 100% and were hurting the team sometimes when they didn't.
Now that the frontcourt is even deeper, let's see if Corbin has the cojones to bench his cogs (Jefferson, a healthy Memo, etc.)--just like Carlisle carefully did--when they are not producing on both ends of the court. Play for performance.
As for Jefferson and Millsap not being able to defend, there were combinations in which this pair did work, and there were combos in which pairing one of them with a real center (Elson or Fes), usually worked better. It wasn't tried too often, though, as evidenced by Elson appearing in only three of the twenty most-used lineups last year (two of which were positive or even +/-), and Fes appearing in only one (also even).
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Brown Notes
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My point was that the Memo/Booze/Millsap/AJ frontcourt never had an inside presence to hide the deficiencies of the other guy. Utah just hasn't had that for a long time.
I don't know who Booze and AJ were going to get benched for. The guys behind them either had major liabilities themselves (Sap) or were even less motivated(Fes). The Bulls have Gibson who plays way harder than Booze does, and has some length. Hell, they had Thomas to put in there if they wanted to show Booze how it's done.
I don't know who Booze and AJ were going to get benched for. The guys behind them either had major liabilities themselves (Sap) or were even less motivated(Fes). The Bulls have Gibson who plays way harder than Booze does, and has some length. Hell, they had Thomas to put in there if they wanted to show Booze how it's done.
gregbroncs
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You realize that those game were played when a Zone defense was still illegal? And that the league has changed drastically since then? The Jazz's defense has suffered tremendously since the change in rules. Teams learned to rely more on outside shots and the Jazz's defense never accounted for that.
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As long as he dumps some of the standard automatic crap I will be happy, such as rookies don't play ahead of vets (no matter how promising or highly drafted the rookie is, or how crappy the vet is playing game after game after game), injury cannot cost you your starting job (even if the guy who replaced you during your injury has proven to be better than you), and sub patterns so regular the other teams probably plan the entire game by them before they ever even get to the stadium.
Agreed. If you draft bpa, you play bpa.