2020 Presidential election

[Deleted member 365]

Just my perception after seeing how they talk and how they go out of their way to obstruct meaningful progress. Nancy Pelosi comes to mind in this case.

Have you ever reflected that... Your disdain for Democrats is clouding your judgement of what Pelosi and "The Squad" are meaning to do with their words and actions? You accuse others of letting their dislike for Trump cloud their judgement of his actions yet I'm not seeing much self-introspection on your part.

 

[DasJazz]

IIRC, you have referred to yourself as mixed race.

I'm white, and I don't have to tiptoe around the subject at all. Race almost never comes up in my day-to-day life, and that's working at two different universities with a racially diverse mix of co-workers and students. All white people need to do is not say incredibly stupid things, and occasionally shut their mouth and listen when others talk, and they are so far ahead of how other people treat minorities that it's considered respectable, as opposed to an expected, bare minimum.

Very well put. I agree with you.

 

[fishonjazz]

I don't see how this is difficult.

Trump telling those ladies to go back to where they came from, at the bare minimum, appears to be race based. Given his history, I don't see how it's defendable.

Now if he had said, "if they don't like things here, they may choose to leave" that's totally different. But he didn't say that.

I don't agree with much of what those ladies say, but they have the right to say it, and I will fight for that. They are American citizens, voted into positions of power by American citizens, and they don't deserve to be told to go back to where they came from. I also think that's part of the argument for why America is still a country where anybody can succeed. Illhan was an asylum refugee, became a citizen at 17, and eventually elected to Congress! That's pretty amazing!

Helluva post

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[fishonjazz]

Have you ever reflected that... Your disdain for Democrats is clouding your judgement of what Pelosi and "The Squad" are meaning to do with their words and actions? You accuse others of letting their dislike for Trump cloud their judgement of his actions yet I'm not seeing much self-introspection on your part.

Yep

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[silesian]

A. The Kochs are still spending millions to elect republicans. At least, I haven’t read their refusing to fund republican campaigns. Electing republicans at any level is supporting trump and Trumpism. The party needs to be wholly rejected to defeat Trumpism.

Saying that anyone who supports any republican is a Trumpist goes too far. That would make me a Trumpist.

C. While I think the Kochs have been clear in their disdain for trump, they also still love his deregulation and tax cuts, things they’ve fought for for decades. If the Kochs really didn’t support trump, they’d reject his tax cuts, focus their funding and propaganda apparatus to helping democrats win elections.

Kinda like saying if you agree with Trump on anything (tax cuts, deregulation) you are a Trump lover. That would make me a Trumpist since I liked the criminal justice reform and the stance he has taken with China on trade. You don't have to hate every policy to hate what he is doing overall, right?

The Kochs are nothing more than rich opportunist conservatives with a libertarian bend who are using trump as a means to an end.

I disagree. Charles Koch is a principled libertarian and a highly ethical guy. He cares a lot about many things besides money.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I just don't see it that way. He never referred to the supposed Squad by name, race, color, religion, anything. He did refer to American hating congresswomen which is pretty accurate. He then said fix the problem where you are from and then come back and ahow us how it's done.

I’m just curious as to why you define the congresswomen as “American hating.”

Today, both Mike Lee and Rand Paul voted against funding benefits to 9/11 first responders.

Rep Omar cosponsored this bill and all four women supported it.
Mike Lee and Rand Paul voted against it.

Yet these four women are taking heat for “hating America?”

How? Why?

 

[Gameface]

Nothing at all, simply glad that you're not just a crazed leftist who is against anything and everything that an opposition party president puts up. It's refreshing.

So he's not theis imaginary gremlin you seem to believe in as the standard leftist?

 

[DasJazz]

Have you ever reflected that... Your disdain for Democrats is clouding your judgement of what Pelosi and "The Squad" are meaning to do with their words and actions? You accuse others of letting their dislike for Trump cloud their judgement of his actions yet I'm not seeing much self-introspection on your part.

Actually, as I have previously stated, I tend to vote more independently than traditional party lines. I take into account the person and their proposed policies and then do my best to make an educated decision.

For me, the democratic lean to the far left is a bit too much for me to trust their judgment as of today. Now, that can change and hopefully it will, but right now, it seems to be a contest to see who can go further and further to the socialist side than the other and I don't think that is good for the country.

 

[DasJazz]

So he's not theis imaginary gremlin you seem to believe in as the standard leftist?

Hopefully he is the rule and not the exception.

 

[fishonjazz]

Actually, as I have previously stated, I tend to vote more independently than traditional party lines. I take into account the person and their proposed policies and then do my best to make an educated decision.

For me, the democratic lean to the far left is a bit too much for me to trust their judgment as of today. Now, that can change and hopefully it will, but right now, it seems to be a contest to see who can go further and further to the socialist side than the other and I don't think that is good for the country.

Fine, don't trust their judgement. Don't think their proposals are good for the country.

That doesn't mean they hate America

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[JazzGal]

So you assume that I am white? And also, whites don't have to think about race every day? They literally have to tiptoe around the subject due to previous history thst they have nothing to do with.

You are mixed race and yet don't think that we live in a racist society? Interesting. I'm happy for you.

 

[DasJazz]

Fine, don't trust their judgement. Don't think their proposals are good for the country.

That doesn't mean they hate America

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Never said all, but I do think that there are a few.