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Wes Mantooth said:
Trump is -850 to be the R nominee. Prob free money.
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So basically just death or some scandal so beyond the dozens of other scandals he's been excused for by the GOP that he can't continue to run? Yeah, it's probably free money.

If the **** heal dies it won't stop me from laughing at you if you make the bet.
 
Red said:
Three of "The Squad" were native born Americans, so of course telling them to "go back where they came from" makes no sense in the first place.

Further, if "The Squad" were 4 white women descended from colonial American forebears, Mayflower descendants even, would Trump have included "go back where you came from" as part of his put down of them?

By telling them to "go back", he was emphasizing their non-white status, and not their country of origin, which was the United States in the case of 3 of the 4 women. Therefore, his put down was a classic example of "otherizing" them by race.

This isn't rocket science. It's not that difficult to understand what Trump was emphasizing in that tweet. If all the women were descended from Northern Europeans, no way does he tell them to "go back".
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I just don't see it that way. He never referred to the supposed Squad by name, race, color, religion, anything. He did refer to American hating congresswomen which is pretty accurate. He then said fix the problem where you are from and then come back and ahow us how it's done.
 
DasJazz said:
I just don't see it that way. He never referred to the supposed Squad by name, race, color, religion, anything. He did refer to American hating congresswomen which is pretty accurate. He then said fix the problem where you are from and then come back and ahow us how it's done.
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THEY ARE FROM AMERICA. Also he was clearly referring to them. Dude, stop. Is the hill you want to die on lol?

Also “America hating” is usually nothing more then Someone’s opinion of someone else.
 
Stoked said:
THEY ARE FROM AMERICA. Also he was clearly referring to them. Dude, stop. Is the hill you want to die on lol?

Also “America hating” is usually nothing more then Someone’s opinion of someone else.
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But see I could say the same thing in that every thing the president says or does is viewed as some scandal or something like that by those who oppose him. Works both ways my friend.
 
DasJazz said:
But see I could say the same thing in that every thing the president says or does is viewed as some scandal or something like that by those who oppose him. Works both ways my friend.
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I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you.

You lack intellectual honesty.

You say the President doesn't name the congresswomen in question and in the same breath say that his description of them is pretty accurate. What kind of game are you trying to play?

Or have you committed yourself to these mental gymnastics to the point you actually don't see the flips and spins you've had to make in order to make your completely ******** point?
 
Gameface said:
I'm not touching you, I'm not touching you.

You lack intellectual honesty.

You say the President doesn't name the congresswomen in question and in the same breath say that his description of them is pretty accurate. What kind of game are you trying to play?

Or have you committed yourself to these mental gymnastics to the point you actually don't see the flips and spins you've had to make in order to make your completely ******** point?
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Every congresswomen that I have seen from the democratic party in the forefront of news etc. I could make a case that they are American hating politicians. It's not mental gymnastics it's simple observation.

Fact is, you don't support anything related to the president so you naturally side with the worst possible meaning outcome of his actions, true or not. You instantly go to the worst possible scenario instead of looking at what actually happened because your tendency is to be negative towards him and his policies etc.

On the flip side, I support the president so I don't instantly jump to the worst case scenario and overanalyze every little thing he says or does. Conversely, because I support the president, I am more willing to think about what he actually means given that he is not the most polished speaker like say Obama was, and I make my conclusions from there. I suppose I come from more of a benefit of the doubt mindset in regards to President Trump.
 
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DasJazz said:
But see I could say the same thing in that every thing the president says or does is viewed as some scandal or something like that by those who oppose him. Works both ways my friend.
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No, it really doesn’t. This ignores the history of this man and the history of the things he’s said. It is not the same as any other president we have had.

He is a complete outlier, extreme outlier, in this sense.
 
Stoked said:
No, it really doesn’t. This ignores the history of this man and the history of the things he’s said. It is not the same as any other president we have had.

He is a complete outlier, extreme outlier, in this sense.
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See my follow up post. Also, I don't disagree with you in that he is unlike any other president we have experienced as a nation. I just don't view it as a bad thing all the way around as some of you guys and gals do. I do wish he would be more calculated in some of his messaging though as it gets misconstrued as overly aggressive and then twisted into phobia this, racist that hyperbole.
 
DasJazz said:
He did refer to American hating congresswomen which is pretty accurate.
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But, this is absurd. You are saying that because someone criticizes an aspect of American society or governance, that therefore they hate America. As an example, when AOC criticized the southern border detention centers, was it because she hated America, or because she felt we were better then this, which would suggest she cared about our country enough to speak up on what she considered a failing on the part of the government?

Consider the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's. Were people, both black and white, who marched in solidarity against "water fountains for blacks and whites", "blacks sit at the back of the bus", "segregation in schooling", doing so because they hated their country, or doing so because they wanted equal rights for all Americans, regardless of the color of their skin? Did they hate their country, or did they want to correct injustices committed by their country, because they cared about their country and knew we were, and should, be better then this?

You are adopting the position that if one disagrees with Trump, one hates America. Which is the position Trump himself takes, and guys like Miller, when they respond to any criticism with some version of "America, love it or leave it".
 
DasJazz said:
Fact is, you don't support anything related to the president ...
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What absolute, total rubbish. Just today, I read that Trump said the reason he doesn't want to flatten Afghanistan is that it would kill a few million people, and he doesn't think that's right. I fully support his stance there. I support the First Step Act. There are other measures he has undertaken that I support.

That doesn't change that he is overall a terrible President and seems to be an egocentric racist.
 
Red said:
But, this is absurd. You are saying that because someone criticizes an aspect of American society or governance, that therefore they hate America. As an example, when AOC criticized the southern border detention centers, was it because she hated America, or because she felt we were better then this, which would suggest she cared about our country enough to speak up on what she considered a failing on the part of the government?

Consider the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's. Were people, both black and white, who marched in solidarity against "water fountains for blacks and whites", "blacks sit at the back of the bus", "segregation in schooling", doing so because they hated their country, or doing so because they wanted equal rights for all Americans, regardless of the color of their skin? Did they hate their country, or did they want to correct injustices committed by their country, because they cared about their country and knew we were, and should, be better then this?

You are adopting the position that if one disagrees with Trump, one hates America. Which is the position Trump himself takes, and guys like Miller, when they respond to any criticism with some version of "America, love it or leave it".
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No, I am not. Just as you believe Trump is terrible, I believe certain members of Congress hate the country that they are supposed to be working for.
 
One Brow said:
What absolute, total rubbish. Just today, I read that Trump said the reason he doesn't want to flatten Afghanistan is that it would kill a few million people, and he doesn't think that's right. I fully support his stance there. I support the First Step Act. There are other measures he has undertaken that I support.

That doesn't change that he is overall a terrible President and seems to be an egocentric racist.
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Awesome! Glad to hear that you can look at some of his policies objectively.
 
One Brow said:
What makes you think I can't look at all of his policies and behavior objectively?
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Nothing at all, simply glad that you're not just a crazed leftist who is against anything and everything that an opposition party president puts up. It's refreshing.
 
Red said:
But, this is absurd. You are saying that because someone criticizes an aspect of American society or governance, that therefore they hate America. As an example, when AOC criticized the southern border detention centers, was it because she hated America, or because she felt we were better then this, which would suggest she cared about our country enough to speak up on what she considered a failing on the part of the government?

Consider the Civil Rights movement of the 1960's. Were people, both black and white, who marched in solidarity against "water fountains for blacks and whites", "blacks sit at the back of the bus", "segregation in schooling", doing so because they hated their country, or doing so because they wanted equal rights for all Americans, regardless of the color of their skin? Did they hate their country, or did they want to correct injustices committed by their country, because they cared about their country and knew we were, and should, be better then this?

You are adopting the position that if one disagrees with Trump, one hates America. Which is the position Trump himself takes, and guys like Miller, when they respond to any criticism with some version of "America, love it or leave it".
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This.
I always thought Dasjazz was better than troll or idiot. Maybe I was wrong

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If only we had a record of trump doubling and tripling down on his words with the attached names of these congresswomen so we could know of a surety that these women were indeed the women he was referring to. Some sort of an electronic record. You know? They don’t have to be very long, just 280 characters really.

Wouldn’t that be nice if we had an electronic record of trump’s words? If only someone would invent such a thing...
 
One of the major dangers of Trump’s authoritarianism is people associating criticism of trump and his policies as attacks on America. That’s absurd and very dangerous.
 
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