Needs to develop a shot if he doesn't want his body to breakdown from relying on constant movement and athleticism. If I was Quin Snyder, I would draw up at least one Rudy shot from distance every time the Jazz were up by 15 points. Also, I would have Gobert shoot at least once on a back to back game to rely less on his athleticism. It may win games now but it would benefit the Jazz in the long term.
Shooting Extends one Career...So Gobert...
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Douchebag K
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yeah nah
LoPo
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Shooting extends your career if you are a beast player who succeeded on skills and athleticism but those are fading. Guys like Kidd and Blake Griffin have used improved shooting to stay relevant in the league.
Gobert has used timing, length and positioning for his success so far. I think those could continue with or without shooting. I think Gobert is on that Mutombo path where he will be a defensive force and offensive finisher until he just gets too slow to defend well enough. When that happens, it won't matter if he's a 35% 3pt shooter.
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Gobert has used timing, length and positioning for his success so far. I think those could continue with or without shooting. I think Gobert is on that Mutombo path where he will be a defensive force and offensive finisher until he just gets too slow to defend well enough. When that happens, it won't matter if he's a 35% 3pt shooter.
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Malone is the absolute best example of this. He was able to play at a very high level not in small part due to his vastly improved mid-range game, more layups than dunks, and smarter play around the rim rather than brute Force all the time.
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Uh, Melo can’t shoot. Not efficiently anyway.
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Quoted for truth.
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Semantics. I suppose the OP could have said "making mid-range and distance jumpers" or "shooting from distance efficiently" extends one's career, but we all knew what was intended.
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bjwsan
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Karl developed a great shot, and it was fun to watch... I'm agreeing with your post... if you had posted it 10 years ago.
Do you think that Karl would be shooting the midrange jumper as frequently today? With his PnR skills and the current freedom of movement... it minimizes the value of a long mid-range... I haven't looked to see if some site has shot breakdown like they do today, but I don't think so...
The value of Rudy developing a mid-range game is of diminishing returns, and not needed w/ the Jazz, especially this year.
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??? lmao
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The thread is not about value to the team. The thread is about evolving a players game to minimize wear and tear and extend their effective playing years. Malone did that by changing his game and developing different skills.
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Okay, agree with that point... but I don't think Rudy's value would improve for ANY team, therefor his value (yes, in $) if he worked on a mid-range vs working on his footwork, body conditioning and free throw %...
Size and shooting extend one’s career. Gobert has size and the entire strength of his game relies on that and staying close to the rim. He isn’t a shooter AND it takes from his unique strength. When he’s too slow to play, he will be too slow to play.
I’m probably the biggest spacing hawk on this site, but this idea is straight up stupid.
I’m probably the biggest spacing hawk on this site, but this idea is straight up stupid.
Tyson Chandler had been able to maintain staying somewhat relevant even into mid-30s.
Him shooting would not create an advantage. It would take away from his strength. Gobert is the reason you need spacing, it isn’t the other way around.
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This is false to a degree.
Rudy isn't a shooter yet, but there are dozens of examples where players who weren't shooters added one later. Malone was deadly with his mid-range game later in his career and Horford's career (and latest contract) doesn't come about as it has without him developing an outside jimmy.
Adding a shot doesn't takeaway from a player. It never has. Rather, it simply adds to their offensive arsenal and gives the defense more to worry about. Rudy adding something reliable out to 15 or better makes him so much more deadly in offensive sets where he can roll outside, sit at the top of the key, or take a shot when he's out of his normal position and the play breaks down.
Aside from that, Rudy has the unique physical attributes to remain in the league as his game relies as much on timing, anticipation, intelligence, and instincts as his athleticism. Granted, he will age, but his decline probably won't be as bad as others I think. Mutombo played until he was 42 and still had massive defensive value until he was 35.
It takes away from a player - necessarily - when their gravity is in the paint, when they’re a top-flight offensive rebounder, and the best garbage man in the league by a light year. All of those make him one of the most efficient players in the NBA and it creates shots for players when he can clean up after misses.
His mid-range jumper would NEVER be as valuable as what he does around the basket, and he’d have to have an absolutely elite 3P% to even consider giving up the benefits of what he does around the basket.
The list of players that shouldn’t use resources to improve their jumper is incredibly short, but Gobert’s at the top of that list.
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