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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

@Red I disagree that the press should be engaged in reigning in and removing the president. Not the roll I want them to take. I do support them spelling out what he is, and is not, doing. But the rest of it is not the type of press I want.

And I appreciate the fact that you respectfully disagree with me. I am also not unaware of the problems that suggestion of mine would present. For one, it might push us closer to outright civil war, as we would then see a much more overt battle between Fox state media promoting lies to preserve the cult of Trump, and a liberal media advocating the overthrow of Trump. I was aware of such a potential result when I posted what I did. That said, I do believe we need more men like Edward R. Murrow, willing to take on power directly, and say what must be said. Too many Americans are sleepwalking through our times. The Murrow's of our free press need to step up.
 
And I appreciate the fact that you respectfully disagree with me. I am also not unaware of the problems that suggestion of mine would present. For one, it might push us closer to outright civil war, as we would then see a much more overt battle between Fox state media promoting lies to preserve the cult of Trump, and a liberal media advocating the overthrow of Trump. I was aware of such a potential result when I posted what I did. That said, I do believe we need more men like Edward R. Murrow, willing to take on power directly, and say what must be said. Too many Americans are sleepwalking through our times. The Murrow's of our free press need to step up.

I also don’t like the precedent it sets as far as the media telling us which presidents deserve support and which don’t. Longer view than trump.

My view of the media is that they should be as close to neutral as they can. Present the facts, if they’re completely damning to a president so be it. But we already see to many people following media blindly. I feel that this would increase that. I also don’t like how media has mixed in opinion pieces with their news dramatically blurring that line.
 
I also don’t like the precedent it sets as far as the media telling us which presidents deserve support and which don’t. Longer view than trump.

I'm reminded of an attitude, often rendered as a probably non-existent exact quote, and attributed to Thomas Jefferson, to the effect that a "little revolution" now and then does the citizens of a democracy "good". It is sometimes the role of a free press to take the lead in such movements. It's not that it sets a precedent, because the situation we find ourselves in is quite unique. We should not assume that every American generation will face a situation where their president at the time shows absolute contempt for the Constitution that defines our governance and our rights.
 
I also don’t like the precedent it sets as far as the media telling us which presidents deserve support and which don’t. Longer view than trump.

My view of the media is that they should be as close to neutral as they can. Present the facts, if they’re completely damning to a president so be it. But we already see to many people following media blindly. I feel that this would increase that. I also don’t like how media has mixed in opinion pieces with their news dramatically blurring that line.

I'm aware that it can be pointed out that our system of government assures us that the worst that could happen is we have to wait till Jan. of 2025 to be rid of Trump. But, in going over the comment I left regarding his power grabs, his consolidation of power in the Executive branch, his effort, in other words, to put the president above the law, his effort to create an executive who can bear no accountability whatsoever, he is, in effect, creating a degree of absolute power in that branch. It's that precedent that concerns me. Does us little real good to have term limits on the office of the presidency, if said presidents can stand above the law while in that office. It's like a system of temporary dictatorships, and I don't want such power in the hands of any one person, let alone one like Trump.
 
Can we not take this thread down? Colton will not bet me a year of not posting on jazzfanz that Trump will not be impeached.
Actually I do think it's fairly likely he will be impeached by the House. But I don't think he'll be removed from office by the Senate.
 
Literally broadcasting the gist of a private conversation you may have had with another member is in very bad taste, and reflects very poorly on you. @colton strikes me as a principled conservative. There are quite a few such folk, like George Will for instance. Conservative folks, who, like myself, saw clearly from the start what Trump represented. It's likely that @colton and I would disagree on many issues. But, I am proud to stand with him where our opinion of Trump is concerned.
If you're talking about him challenging me to a bet about whether Trump will be removed from office, that wasn't a private conversation, it was in a post in a thread. Probably this thread .
 
Didn't I tell you people on here that Comey was in trouble. Now the Horowitz investigation has sent Attorney General Farr 2 criminal charges on Comey.

Comey's not going to be charged, according to the sources you linked.
 
If you're talking about him challenging me to a bet about whether Trump will be removed from office, that wasn't a private conversation, it was in a post in a thread. Probably this thread .

My bad. Thought he must have been referring to a pm, since I must have missed his post to that effect.
 
I'm aware that it can be pointed out that our system of government assures us that the worst that could happen is we have to wait till Jan. of 2025 to be rid of Trump. But, in going over the comment I left regarding his power grabs, his consolidation of power in the Executive branch, his effort, in other words, to put the president above the law, his effort to create an executive who can bear no accountability whatsoever, he is, in effect, creating a degree of absolute power in that branch. It's that precedent that concerns me. Does us little real good to have term limits on the office of the presidency, if said presidents can stand above the law while in that office. It's like a system of temporary dictatorships, and I don't want such power in the hands of any one person, let alone one like Trump.

Developing on this thought further. The trend toward what has been called an Imperial Presidency did not start with Trump. But, man, is he accelerating it. Long since I have questioned the wisdom of allowing so much power over hundreds of millions of citizens in the hands of one individual. Consider but one result, in but one action by Trump's head of the EPA:

"The first major rule Wheeler signed as acting administrator refuted his claim that he could fulfill President Trump’s directive to “clean up the air, clean up the water, and provide regulatory relief” at the same time. By rolling back the Obama-era coal ash rule, Wheeler provided regulatory relief to his old friend the coal industry by weakening environmental protections established in 2015 to clean up coal ash ponds, which are laced with toxic contaminants that leak into groundwater. The move was a top priority for coal baron Bob Murray, owner of Murray Energy, Wheeler’s most lucrative client when he worked for the Faegre Baker Daniels law firm.

Coal-fired power plants have been dumping this residue from burning coal into giant, unlined pits for decades. According to the EPA, there are more than 1,000 coal ash disposal sites across the country, and a recent analysis by Earthjustice and the Environmental Integrity Project found that 91 percent of the coal plants filing monitoring data required by the 2015 rule are polluting water with unsafe levels of toxic contaminants. Wheeler’s EPA says the new rule — which extends the deadline for closing some leaking ash ponds and allows states to suspend groundwater monitoring and set their own standards — will save utilities as much as $31 million. But the agency ignored the enormous costs of cancer and neurological and cardiovascular diseases linked to coal ash ingredients, which include arsenic, chromium, lead and mercury."

https://www.salon.com/2019/07/22/10-ways-andrew-wheeler-has-decimated-epa-protections_partner/

Why are we allowing one man, ultimately Trump, to unilaterally affect, in a negative fashion, the health of countless other Americans? The fact that he can do this, with scarcely a peep out of our press, signifies a flawed system to me. If he has the power to do this, then we need to adjust how much power we allow in our chief executive, I should think.
 
The man who god put into the White House for tax cuts and abortion and stuff:

 
God also justifies a president who does this, cuz tax cuts and abortion.



And people who don’t like this but don’t agree with the Dems on EVERYTHING can throw their votes away and vote third party, helping this guy score four more years to do this nonsense.
 
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