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I think additionally, with gun control, we need to disrupt white supremacist social media. Disrupting the distribution of their propaganda, destroying their online communities, and banning their leaders from public spheres is essential. 4chan and 8chan should be gone and Breitbart, Fox News, dailycaller, the blaze, and Drudge should be heavily monitored.

We need to stop the indoctrination of young white males while making it much harder for them to obtain weapons.

Just a few weeks ago cnn had Richard spencer on. Let’s stop normalizing these terrorists.
 
fishonjazz said:
I disagree.
Some people support Trump cause he is a republican. No other reason than that.
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I agree with this to an extent. Most Republicans do just want to win. But
The Thriller said:
I think additionally, with gun control, we need to disrupt white supremacist social media. Disrupting the distribution of their propaganda, destroying their online communities, and banning their leaders from public spheres is essential. 4chan and 8chan should be gone and Breitbart, Fox News, dailycaller, the blaze, and Drudge should be heavily monitored.

We need to stop the indoctrination of young white males while making it much harder for them to obtain weapons.
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They are vulnerable to extremism because they have not inherited an authentic identity. So first give them that.

Secondly, censorship and repression will not help at all. It will just drive it underground.

Censorship and war didn’t stop the Mormons. It made them stronger.
 
Shared Trama galvanizes a group. It does not dissuade them.

Taking away guns that are near and dear to the hearts of this people will not stop the violence. Because it doesn’t stop the hatred.

Our approach needs to be more holistic than this. The job needs to be done right the first time.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Again I'm asking in all earnestness, what do we do?
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You make changes knowing that not everything can be worked out overnight.

You absolutely have to change the culture around guns. Part of that is at least decreasing the sheer number of guns out there, whether owned legally or illegally. You don't have to take away people's guns, just make them harder to get from this point on, like Fish suggested.

The scary thing about most of the recent shootings is that they are by gunmen with a grudge against society killing random strangers in order to express their anger. This isn't a man angry at his coworkers or family or any of the victims. It's also not someone with psychotic delusions or voices telling him to kill. This is a "good guy with a gun" defending his country just like he's been told to over and over.

When you compare guns in the US and guns in any other country, it's hard not to be struck by how different the reasons for gun ownership are. I don't think people in other countries own guns because they believe themselves to be guardians of freedoms or a way of life or "civilization."
 
The white myth needs to be destroyed. We do this by abandoning it ourselves, and by laying hold on regional European identifiers to cultivate relatable identities.

Stop calling people white. They are not. There is no white race.

Get a DNA test if you have to start somewhere. Do some family history. We need to obliterate what we’ve become by digging back into what we were when our families arrived here.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I ask in all earnestness, what is really the solution? Ban all guns? How do we remove those already in the hands of the public. Require people to turn them in? So let's just assume every single law-abiding American does so. What about the criminals, who are highly unlikely to turn theirs in, regardless of their skin color? House to house searches? But we can't profile anyone because that's racist, so we start at random? So we start in my neighborhood let's say. My 10 closest neighbors are 4 white families 3 Hispanic, 2 black, 1 Asian, so that seems ok. But all of my neighbors are law-abiding and we already assumed they turned theirs in.

I am not trying to say nothing should be done. I have just as of yet never seen or heard a truly viable plan for doing anything that would have any meaningful impact on the problem.

So seriously, what can we do? I've had a big discussion on this with some neighbors in my neighborhood, a mixed group. No one had any ideas that would realistically make a dent in these things without going full police-state.

@Gameface makes a great point, there is always another class of gun, they will just move down the list, or, let's cut the ********, they will get their guns illegally.

Again I'm asking in all earnestness, what do we do?
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I like the idea of your first paragraph. Every law abiding citizen turns in their guns. The criminals who didn't turn in their guns are now also criminals for having guns. They're just easier to spot now. This way, when someone has a gun without a uniform, nobody has to wonder if they're a good guy or a bad guy. They're a bad guy and you can immediately call the police. It's not hard. Take all the guns away.
 
Safetydan said:
I like the idea of your first paragraph. Every law abiding citizen turns in their guns. The criminals who didn't turn in their guns are now also criminals for having guns. They're just easier to spot now. This way, when someone has a gun without a uniform, nobody has to wonder if they're a good guy or a bad guy. They're a bad guy and you can immediately call the police. It's not hard. Take all the guns away.
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Take all the guns away, lol
 
Safetydan said:
I like the idea of your first paragraph. Every law abiding citizen turns in their guns. The criminals who didn't turn in their guns are now also criminals for having guns. They're just easier to spot now. This way, when someone has a gun without a uniform, nobody has to wonder if they're a good guy or a bad guy. They're a bad guy and you can immediately call the police. It's not hard. Take all the guns away.
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I guarantee that’ll lead to civil war. Sure, some people will turn in their guns but most wont. It’ll start in small towns like Coldwater, MS and Panguitch, UT. Citizens there will simply refuse to turn them in. You think those local sheriffs are going to confiscate them? Not going to happen. We’ve already got sheriffs refusing to enforce red flag laws in Colorado for instance.

So then what? Door to door searches by federal agents? National guard? Take southern Utah for example. The triple deuce unit from southern Utah won’t raid house in southern Utah. They’re not kicking down doors of their neighbors, friends and family. So what, other stats fairs units come in? How many local police forces will stand for door to door searches?

I’m all for buy back programs and the like. Pay more, offer tax breaks, company discounts...whatever. But if you think criminalizing gun ownership is the answer you’re in for a massive surprise.

Also, making something illegal doesn’t make people consider those doing it to be bad people. Take marijuana for example. Just because it’s illegal doesn’t make people label them “bad guys” or even think of them that way.
 
Somethings I’d like to see.

Linking mental health to back ground checks.

2-3 wait for more extensive back ground checks

Require a gun training course for CC permits.

Stiffer penalties for lazy gun ownership resulting in harm or crime.

Red flag laws that have to go through a judge.
 
Rubashov said:
i dunno about Canada but the UK and Australia are certainly better more stable countries than the US.
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Australia yeah, not so sure about the UK, what with the Brexit debacle and all. And I'd put money on Scottish independence happening before any fracturing of the US.

In any case my point was that the US is closer to those countries than say Sri Lanka, which another poster brought up.
 
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