This is the Year

[FalseFlagg K]

Conley, Bojan, haven't even suited up for their first game and you're already talking about THE exit?? What negativity to bring into the best free agency year in Jazz history! Ya'll are talking about NOT getting a championship and Conley, Ingles, Bojan aging and moving on! But when we had Hayward, Favors and Burks, y'all were talking that "Hayward is God" and he would lead us to a championship. Is this thread for real? Your writing off the season without any hope before the season starts?? Now, you want to be a critique But when Hayward was on the team, there was a lot of fans talking about how we were a "championship team" (when we were not!)

Is there nobody here that wants to take a calculated risk and say that this is the year we destroy and take home the chip? I'm proud to say it. This is the year. It sure would be nice if the fans supported our team instead of talking about exits before our new additions even suit up.

I’m with you Slapper, 100% !!!

 

[NUMBERICA]

Realistic. He’s not going to be fine with his peers getting paid by their perspective teams the second they can give it to them and then being told by his front office (who tbh he’s done more for than those other guys) that he’ll have to wait a year before they guarantee that money for him. It’s not just bad business, it’s an incredibly dumb proposition. He could have a terrible injury 5 games into the 2020-21 season and never get his max money. He is not taking that risk for cap space, and if you ask him to he’ll remember it. Hayward was not a fan of the whole go get your own deal thing. Luckily the Jazz FO realizes Donovan’s value and the value of keeping that relationship in good standing and will give him his extension next summer, and won’t be dumb enough to put it off and leave a scar on that relationship.

There is nothing analogous to Mitchell’s and Hayward’s situation and it says a lot about your position that you think there is.

But to be clear, I’d offer the extension and say, “it’s important you know how much we value you, but know we’re also serious about putting the best team around you,” then promise he’ll get his max money if he decides to forego the extension, but still have the extension out there. 2021 is going to be the last chance to get more serious help and that would be the most integral component of having space since it essentially generates space instead of just opening it.

Not trying doesn’t do anyone a service and the track record of the organization working for a players wishes instead of with them is rather poor.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

The Jazz were right to treat Hayward like a borderline star. He _was_ a borderline star.

Did Hayward get pissed and try to screw the Jazz? Yep.

Who had to flip the bill for Hayward's last two years? Not the Jazz, thank God.

Mitchell is smarter than that. But even if he wasn't, he's never going to be asked to go out and establish his market value. Because he's not a borderline star.

Does anyone seriously think he's going to look around at other early extensions and get butt-hurt? Dude knows he's going to get paid. He's smart enough to want the team to be as competitive as possible at the same time.

Pretending that he has the mentality of a guy like Westbrook is just stupid.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The Jazz were right to treat Hayward like a borderline star. He _was_ a borderline star.

Did Hayward get pissed and try to screw the Jazz? Yep.

Who had to flip the bill for Hayward's last two years? Not the Jazz, thank God.

Mitchell is smarter than that. But even if he wasn't, he's never going to be asked to go out and establish his market value. Because he's not a borderline star.

Does anyone seriously think he's going to look around at other early extensions and get butt-hurt? Dude knows he's going to get paid. He's smart enough to want the team to be as competitive as possible at the same time.

Pretending that he has the mentality of a guy like Westbrook is just stupid.

Again, if Mitchell is half the hero we think he is, he won’t behave as irrationally and insecurely as @oneye is suggesting.

Mitchell is so much more than a great basketball player. If you dig too deep into the numbers, you might come away with the impression that the numbers don’t even make that great a case. WHO he is is as much the reason to have hope as anything else.

I would just like to add that the odds he has an injury that would cause the Jazz to not offer the max is virtually 0. I don’t even know what that injury would be? Players that young very rarely injure their Achilles, he’d recover from an ACL, etc. He’s getting that contract.

 

[oneye]

The Jazz were right to treat Hayward like a borderline star. He _was_ a borderline star.

Did Hayward get pissed and try to screw the Jazz? Yep.

Who had to flip the bill for Hayward's last two years? Not the Jazz, thank God.

Mitchell is smarter than that. But even if he wasn't, he's never going to be asked to go out and establish his market value. Because he's not a borderline star.

Does anyone seriously think he's going to look around at other early extensions and get butt-hurt? Dude knows he's going to get paid. He's smart enough to want the team to be as competitive as possible at the same time.

Pretending that he has the mentality of a guy like Westbrook is just stupid.

Its still not going to happen.

There is nothing analogous to Mitchell’s and Hayward’s situation and it says a lot about your position that you think there is.

But to be clear, I’d offer the extension and say, “it’s important you know how much we value you, but know we’re also serious about putting the best team around you,” then promise he’ll get his max money if he decides to forego the extension, but still have the extension out there. 2021 is going to be the last chance to get more serious help and that would be the most integral component of having space since it essentially generates space instead of just opening it.

Not trying doesn’t do anyone a service and the track record of the organization working for a players wishes instead of with them is rather poor.

Still not happening. It's not just Donovan who's going to want the guaranteed money in place ASAP, his agent will as well. Sorry, cap space is going to be gone. Booker, KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Murray, etc. They all signed it. Every player has. They could have had cap space another year too. Didn't matter. Just the reality of it. Donovan's great, Donovan's done a lot of great things for the franchise already. Donovan is going to care more about locking in his big pay day as soon as he can just like every other player. I'll say this though, if he is in fact willing to wait a year and allow for cap space that shows a Stockton/Malone type commitment to the franchise and winning.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Its still not going to happen.


Still not happening. It's not just Donovan who's going to want the guaranteed money in place ASAP, his agent will as well. Sorry, cap space is going to be gone. Booker, KAT, Simmons, Embiid, Murray, etc. They all signed it. Every player has. They could have had cap space another year too. Didn't matter. Just the reality of it. Donovan's great, Donovan's done a lot of great things for the franchise already. Donovan is going to care more about locking in his big pay day as soon as he can just like every other player. I'll say this though, if he is in fact willing to wait a year and allow for cap space that shows a Stockton/Malone type commitment to the franchise and winning.

Mitchell isn’t KAT, Booker, Embiid, or Simmons and I’m quite pleased about that. Furthermore, in most of those situations, stalling the extension wouldn’t open a max slot or they’re not in a position to be seriously approaching all-stars to sign. The Jazz are in a unique position right now and they’d be foolish to not at least entertain seizing it.

Gobert and Mitchell are going to have to have that type of commitment to winning if we’re to seriously entertain the idea of winning a ring. This team is geographically (that includes regional culture) disadvantaged more than just about any in the NBA outside of having home court at altitude. We need to eke out every possible advantage.

Back to the initial point, things are likely to change for the worse next year and could worsen far more the year after and following years. This is the year.

 

[oneye]

Mitchell isn’t KAT, Booker, Embiid, or Simmons and I’m quite pleased about that. Furthermore, in most of those situations, stalling the extension wouldn’t open a max slot or they’re not in a position to be seriously approaching all-stars to sign. The Jazz are in a unique position right now and they’d be foolish to not at least entertain seizing it.

Gobert and Mitchell are going to have to have that type of commitment to winning if we’re to seriously entertain the idea of winning a ring. This team is geographically (that includes regional culture) disadvantaged more than just about any in the NBA outside of having home court at altitude. We need to eke out every possible advantage.

Back to the initial point, things are likely to change for the worse next year and could worsen far more the year after and following years. This is the year.

I agree this is the year. Going forward Jazz are going to have to hit on a few draft picks that will give them control on the cheap, or find more Royce's of the world to fill in the roster.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I agree this is the year. Going forward Jazz are going to have to hit on a few draft picks that will give them control on the cheap, or find more Royce's of the world to fill in the roster.

We agree on that. I think all the work they’ve done on the fringes has set them up to keep digging out valuable players every so often. Whether Mudiay pans out or not, that he signed here because of the Jazz’s reputation signals that.