El Paso Shooting

[Red]

Not to prolong this obviously exhausted debate, but why shouldn’t gun by suicide count towards gun violence statistics?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448529/

Objectives. We analyzed urban–rural differences in intentional firearm death.

Results. The most urban counties had 1.03 (95% confidence interval [CI]=0.87, 1.20) times the adjusted firearm death rate of the most rural counties. The most rural counties experienced 1.54 (95% CI=1.29, 1.83) times the adjusted firearm suicide rate of the most urban. The most urban counties experienced 1.90 (95% CI=1.50, 2.40) times the adjusted firearm homicide rate of the most rural. Similar opposing trends were not found for nonfirearm suicide or homicide.

Conclusions. Firearm suicide in rural counties is as important a public health problem as firearm homicide in urban counties. Policymakers should become aware that intentional firearm deaths affect all types of communities in the United States.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Twenty percent of all firearm homicides occur in the 25 largest U.S. cities (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, CDC, 2011). Of the 12,979 firearm homicides in the United States in 2015, 81% occurred in urban areas (CDC, 2017). The disparity is even greater in certain geographies of large cities, specifically those that are more racially and ethnically diverse.

https://www.ncfr.org/ncfr-report/winter-2018/gun-violence-and-minority-experience

 

[JazzyFresh]

Gunfire on school grounds disproportionately affects students of color, occurring most often at schools with high enrollments of minority students. Although racial/ethnic minority students may not succumb to gun violence in mass shootings at the same rate as White children do, they still fall victim to and are exposed to gun violence at higher rates. Almost 3,000 children are shot and killed every year in the United States, with guns taking the lives of 10 times more Black children than White children (Fowler, Dahlberg, Haileyesus, Gutierrez, & Bacon, 2017).

 

[fishonjazz]

Twenty percent of all firearm homicides occur in the 25 largest U.S. cities (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, CDC, 2011). Of the 12,979 firearm homicides in the United States in 2015, 81% occurred in urban areas (CDC, 2017). The disparity is even greater in certain geographies of large cities, specifically those that are more racially and ethnically diverse.

https://www.ncfr.org/ncfr-report/winter-2018/gun-violence-and-minority-experience

Dude, everyone agrees and understands that where the most people are (like the 25 largest US cities) is where the most gun homicides are. Of course it's that way.
Just like the 25 largest US cities is also where you are going to find the most car accidents, the most cavities, the most ingrown toenails, the most divorces, the most heart attacks, the most donations to charities, the most church members, the most rapes, the most bald people,..... Basically the 25 biggest US cities is where you will find the most of everything that humans do. Cause that's where the most humans are.

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[JazzyFresh]

Dude, everyone agrees and understands that where the most people are (like the 25 largest US cities) is where the most gun homicides are. Of course it's that way.
Just like the 25 largest US cities is also where you are going to find the most car accidents, the most cavities, the most ingrown toenails, the most divorces, the most heart attacks, the most donations to charities, the most church members, the most rapes, the most bald people,..... Basically the 25 biggest US cities is where you will find the most of everything that humans do. Cause that's where the most humans are.

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Ok. Then why are people arguing, calling me names? All I've been trying to do is bring focus to this as I don't see anybody ever talking about it. It gets deflected into some stupid numbers game.

As I posted 80+% of gun violence is in Urban areas, a lot of it being minorities as the victims. Nearly every single one of these guns are illegal. Why is the focus "ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!!!!" Instead of these areas? How does common sense gun reform get these people out of poverty, selling drugs and gangs? How does that get these kids a proper education?

As I've said and been called an idiot for saying the problems are systematic. The left leaning articles I posted are saying exactly what I'm saying. We actually start helping these people just watch the gun deaths drop. Our politicians don't want that though.

Am I some stupid redneck devil for trying to talk about these issues? Hell, you guys seem to think so.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ok. Then why are people arguing, calling me names? All I've been trying to do is bring focus to this as I don't see anybody ever talking about it. It gets deflected into some stupid numbers game.

As I posted 80+% of gun violence is in Urban areas, a lot of it being minorities as the victims. Nearly every single one of these guns are illegal. Why is the focus "ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!!!!" Instead of these areas? How does common sense gun reform get these people out of poverty, selling drugs and gangs? How does that get these kids a proper education?

As I've said and been called an idiot for saying the problems are systematic. The left leaning articles I posted are saying exactly what I'm saying. We actually start helping these people just watch the gun deaths drop. Our politicians don't want that though.

Am I some stupid redneck devil for trying to talk about these issues? Hell, you guys seem to think so.

Dude this has been talked about a million times. You just haven't been around for it apparently.
I promise you that it's no secret that poor highly populated areas with lots of guns are where the most shootings happen. We all know that. This isn't knew.

Probably why the left talks about racism, wealth inequality, and gun control so much. Oh and bring pro choice (and pro birth control/sex education) also helps with population control in those poor areas too if the facilities are provided and cheap.

When these issues are brought up the right is like we need more guns, don't talk about racism, and let's lower taxes on the rich!

To many people on the right helping people is bad. It's socialism! Those poor inner city folks just need to pull up their bootstraps!
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[fishonjazz]

We actually start helping these people just watch the gun deaths drop.

Helping people costs money.
How do we pay for the help these people need? Taxes? That's socialism! The number 1 bogeyman of the Republican party.
Good luck getting people the help they need. Most Republicans seem to think they don't need help. In fact they believe the opposite. If you help them then they will just be lazy and reliant on the help being given which means they won't ever learn how to help themselves.

It's nice to see you posting like a socialist for one post at least though

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[JazzyFresh]

Dude this has been talked about a million times. You just haven't been around for it apparently.
I promise you that it's no secret that poor highly populated areas with lots of guns are where the most shootings happen. We all know that. This isn't knew.

Probably why the left talks about racism, wealth inequality, and gun control so much. Oh and bring pro choice (and pro birth control/sex education) also helps with population control in those poor areas too if the facilities are provided and cheap.

When these issues are brought up the right is like we need more guns, don't talk about racism, and let's lower taxes on the rich!

To many people on the right helping people is bad. It's socialism! Those poor inner city folks just need to pull up their bootstraps!
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Lol I've been arguing this very point for nearly a day straight.

My very first post was about Urban gun violence yet people insisted I was wrong

 

[JazzyFresh]

Helping people costs money.
How do we pay for the help these people need? Taxes? That's socialism! The number 1 bogeyman of the Republican party.
Good luck getting people the help they need. Most Republicans seem to think they don't need help. In fact they believe the opposite. If you help them then they will just be lazy and reliant on the help being given which means they won't ever learn how to help themselves.

It's nice to see you posting like a socialist for one post at least though

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Money didn't fix Baltimore...
Money didn't fix Chicago
Detroit?
California is rich but is plagued with homelessness
Obama did what in 8 years?

To think throwing money at the problem will just fix everything has been disproven.

 

[Archie Moses]

There are more automobile accidents in america than there are in the galapogos islands. That proves that americans are worse drivers than people on galapogos island are.


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Turtles in the US are smaller than the ones in the Galapagos Islands. That means, they have smaller brains and are dumber in the US.

 

[fishonjazz]

Money didn't fix Baltimore...
Money didn't fix Chicago
Detroit?
California is rich but is plagued with homelessness
Obama did what in 8 years?

To think throwing money at the problem will just fix everything has been disproven.

I quoted YOU saying that we should help these people in Chicago.
How do you help them without money?

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[fishonjazz]

Money didn't fix Baltimore...
Money didn't fix Chicago
Detroit?
California is rich but is plagued with homelessness
Obama did what in 8 years?

To think throwing money at the problem will just fix everything has been disproven.

So you were just kidding about saying they need help. Gotcha.


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