James Gunn

[Zombie]

Yeah, man. I shouldn't have called you a robot, so I apologize for that. I'm not trying to suppress your freedom of speech or anyone else's for that matter, but the online mob mentality is detrimental and fake (for the most part.)

People are very different in real life than their online persona. They tend to exaggerate and amply their feelings to be heard.

I don't know the SNL guy's name. I listened to his podcast. I cringed when he said what he said, but I knew it was out if ignorance and he wasn't, to the best that I know, wasn't malicious. Dude made a mistake. It just cost him, I'd imagine, his dream.

I imagine the guy is feeling pretty terrible. His tweet is deflating his feelings. The dude literally had his dreams come true and lost it. I don't care if he's white, black, purple, brown, I feel bad for him.

If he was a malicious, racist **** I'd be the first one to throw him under the bus.

I don't know. Maybe he is. I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt though rather than have the mentality of he must suffer the consequences.

Losing a job ****s with you. Losing your dream right after you reached it must be hard.


Hate culture sucks, man.

Oh for sure, it definitely sucks for him, just as it probably sucks for the hundreds of other people who have that dream and haven't realized it, I imagine many with comedy routines that don't include offensive racial stereotypes. I'm not sure what makes this guy in particular any more deserving of sympathy than them.

I appreciate your apology but you still assume many of the people upset are doing so disingenously, which kind of puzzles me tbh.

 

[Zombie]

Don't be so hard on yourself. It was the 80's. It was an awkward time for everyone.

Except Patrick Swayze.

Oh, I mean, I don't feel good about how I acted as a teenager, but I also understand that's not the same person I am now.

I like to think I've grown up a little bit since then.

 

[Archie Moses]

Oh for sure, it definitely sucks for him, just as it probably sucks for the hundreds of other people who have that dream and haven't realized it, I imagine many with comedy routines that don't include offensive racial stereotypes. I'm not sure what makes this guy in particular any more deserving of sympathy than them.

I appreciate your apology but you still assume many of the people upset are doing so disingenously, which kind of puzzles me tbh.

What does "upset" mean?

People have a mob online voice. I can tell you that no one is losing sleep over his comment.

 

[Archie Moses]

Oh, I mean, I don't feel good about how I acted as a teenager, but I also understand that's not the same person I am now.

I like to think I've grown up a little bit since then.

So you're saying people can learn and grow?


The irony...

 

[Zombie]

So you're saying people can learn and grow?


The irony...

I don't see the irony here? If the comedian in question made those jokes as a ten year old I'd be right there with you. He made them what? A year ago? My position isn't that he should forever be shunned for his bigoted jokes, especially if he learns from his mistakes.

But that doesn't mean that SNL is in the wrong for not hiring him.

 

[Archie Moses]

I don't see the irony here? If the comedian in question made those jokes as a ten year old I'd be right there with you. He made them what? A year ago? My position isn't that he should forever be shunned for his bigoted jokes, especially if he learns from his mistakes.

But that doesn't mean that SNL is in the wrong for not hiring him.

For some, it takes a decade, a year or a month to learn from their mistakes. Just because you're far removed from yours, doesn't mean someone that messed up a week ago can't change too.

Maybe you should be fired from your job too for being a bully with Mormons, right? Or where do we draw the line?

The past is the past.

 

[Zombie]

For some, it takes a decade, a year or a month to learn from their mistakes. Just because you're far removed from yours, doesn't mean someone that messed up a week ago can't change too.

Maybe you should be fired from your job too for being a bully with Mormons, right? Or where do we draw the line?

The past is the past.

You are right, it can be complicated. And there probably isn't "a line" that's the same for each person and each situation. I think we can all agree that adults probably shouldn't be held to account for their behavior as children.

Maybe this guy has realized he was in the wrong and has worked to make amends, I certainly don't know. It seems to me that SNL doesn't want their image tarnished with this hire, and this is ultimately their call to make.

 

[Archie Moses]

You are right, it can be complicated. And there probably isn't "a line" that's the same for each person and each situation. I think we can all agree that adults probably shouldn't be held to account for their behavior as children.

Maybe this guy has realized he was in the wrong and has worked to make amends, I certainly don't know. It seems to me that SNL doesn't want their image tarnished with this hire, and this is ultimately their call to make.

Tarnished?

I guarantee it was a small percentage of people are complaining. Not to say it should be dismissed, but to say the hire wouldn't "tarnish" their rep. No one knows this guy. His podcast was in good jest but complete and utter ignorance of what China town is. He was ignorant and yet honest of what he felt about it.

Educate him. Educate others. Firing doesn't help the point being made.

 

[Zombie]

Tarnished?

I guarantee it was a small percentage of people are complaining. Not to say it should be dismissed, but to say the hire wouldn't "tarnish" their rep. No one knows this guy. His podcast was in good jest but complete and utter ignorance of what China town is. He was ignorant and yet honest of what he felt about it.

Educate him. Educate others. Firing doesn't help the point being made.

Believe it or not public perception matters to people making a TV show. Obviously they were worried about the backlash they received or they wouldn't have acted on it.

I'm sure as living human in 2019, he's well aware of what he did wrong. You can't really plead ignorance about that stuff anymore. If he really needs to be taught, one of the most effective ways to do so, practiced by parents and teachers across the world, is accountability and consequences for one's actions. Looks like SNL did that.

 

[Archie Moses]

Believe it or not public perception matters to people making a TV show. Obviously they were worried about the backlash they received or they wouldn't have acted on it.

I'm sure as living human in 2019, he's well aware of what he did wrong. You can't really plead ignorance about that stuff anymore. If he really needs to be taught, one of the most effective ways to do so, practiced by parents and teachers across the world, is accountability and consequences for one's actions. Looks like SNL did that.

No, living as a human in 2019 does not mean you're woke like you, that's ignorant to say...

 

[Zombie]

No, living as a human in 2019 does not mean you're woke like you, that's ignorant to say...

You don't have to be particularly "woke" to identify a racist Chinese stereotype. This really isn't a particularly high bar to clear.

 

[Archie Moses]

You don't have to be particularly "woke" to identify a racist Chinese stereotype. This really isn't a particularly high bar to clear.

Call Dave Chappelle and Burr out on your "woke" stereotypes.


I guarantee you've said similar things in the past or had friends who did.
Throw your stones.

I'll continue to advocate and educate.

"Woke."

 

[Zombie]

Call Dave Chappelle and Burr out on your "woke" stereotypes.


I guarantee you've said similar things in the past or had friends who did.
Throw your stones.

I'll continue to advocate and educate.

"Woke."

I'm just incredibly confused about what you're saying here.

I was a little **** as a kid, so yeah I probably did. Then I did a really crazy thing and grew up. So yeah, sorry if calling people out on their bigotry ruffles your feathers, but I don't really know what you expect me to do.

 

[Stoked]

@Zombie, I’m going to diverge from you a little. I think comics, especially established ones, need and should get some leeway in what and how they say things while performing. It helps society reflect and stay intellectually and morally honest with itself.

No, not everything said is kosher or shouldn’t be pushed back on. But it should, and to me at least, has a valued role.

 

[Gameface]

@Zombie, I’m going to diverge from you a little. I think comics, especially established ones, need and should get some leeway in what and how they say things while performing. It helps society reflect and stay intellectually and morally honest with itself.

No, not everything said is kosher or shouldn’t be pushed back on. But it should, and to me at least, has a valued role.

Yeah, it can be conflicting, but I think we should give a special space to our comedians to challenge us.

 

[Zombie]

@Zombie, I’m going to diverge from you a little. I think comics, especially established ones, need and should get some leeway in what and how they say things while performing. It helps society reflect and stay intellectually and morally honest with itself.

No, not everything said is kosher or shouldn’t be pushed back on. But it should, and to me at least, has a valued role.

Sure, no on is saying comics can't say wherever they want. There's an audience out there for anything. But it's also true that audiences can and should make their voices heard about how they feel about it, and potential employers can take that into account when it comes to who they decide to give millions of dollars to. Some, like Netflix, are free and welcome to throw their money at Bill Burr or Dave Chappelle and that's fine, it's their money. And SNL can decide not to hire Shane Gills, again, it's their call.

I just disagree that there's this massive problem with "woke" people censoring comics, when the evidence demonstrates that even "problematic" comics are doing just fine, and are enjoying financial and professional success most of us couldn't even dream of.

 

[Archie Moses]

I'm just incredibly confused about what you're saying here.

I was a little **** as a kid, so yeah I probably did. Then I did a really crazy thing and grew up. So yeah, sorry if calling people out on their bigotry ruffles your feathers, but I don't really know what you expect me to do.

You're making your own when it's ok to be a bigot rules up, dude. That's why you're confused.

Stop being a judgemental douche. It doesn't matter if you're woke or religious. You're the same to me.

 

[Archie Moses]

Yeah, it can be conflicting, but I think we should give a special space to our comedians to challenge us.

Don't think. You know.

You're just not gonna be the horse with the bliners.

 

[Archie Moses]

@Zombie, I’m going to diverge from you a little. I think comics, especially established ones, need and should get some leeway in what and how they say things while performing. It helps society reflect and stay intellectually and morally honest with itself.

No, not everything said is kosher or shouldn’t be pushed back on. But it should, and to me at least, has a valued role.

I wish I could put my feelings into words so thank you for doing it for me. Lol

 

[Zombie]

You're making your own when it's ok to be a bigot rules up, dude. That's why you're confused.

Stop being a judgemental douche. It doesn't matter if you're woke or religious. You're the same to me.

Lmao, how am I making these rules up?

By saying there should be different expectations for the behavior of children and adults? I'm genuinely baffled.

I'll stop being a judgmental douche as soon as you do, you've cast plenty of judgment here as well.