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The official "let's impeach Trump" thread

Zombie said:
Regarding the question of whether Trump has asked for help investigating corruption by someone other than his political rivals:

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So is Biden really a political opponent if he hasn't even earned the nomination of his party yet?
 
DasJazz said:
But he's not even the nominee. I could understand the train of thought more if he had secured the nomination already.
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He's just playing the odds, and Biden was the frontrunner. He'll hit harder on Warren and Sanders soon, and whoever else crops up. What did you think he was going to do, wait until the last few weeks of the election cycle? He's still fighting the Hillary battles after all.
 
Zombie said:
You're stretching really hard here.
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No I am not. I get the perspective that he is technically a political rival but as of today, he hasn't won the nomination and things look to be trending Warren's way to me so I just don't buy into as much. He's just a former corrupt VP as of now.
 
JazzGal said:
He's just playing the odds, and Biden was the frontrunner. He'll hit harder on Warren and Sanders soon, and whoever else crops up. What did you think he was going to do, wait until the last few weeks of the election cycle? He's still fighting the Hillary battles after all.
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The whole Left is still fighting Hillary battles. Complete and utter denial for 3 years and counting. Could you imagine if they had just accepted the results of the election the way they begged Trump to do as a nominee? My goodness how much better as a country we would be.
 
silesian said:
You’re here so why don’t you go first?
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I don't like Trump. I've never said a kind word about him. I don't hate the guy either though. I think the country is running pretty damn good but he could be so much more if he'd preach unity instead of me vs you narcissistic ******** but it's just who he is. I'm tired of the divisive rhetoric from all sides and Trump is as guilty as they come.

Do I lose sleep over him? No. This country is fine(hurt but fine) and will be fine after Trump. What you guys are doing to Trump with your fear mongering is no different than what the right did with Obama and the whole Islamic Jihadist bull ****. It's just a whole nother level with the Democrats. It's constant and obsessive.
 
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JazzyFresh said:
What about the part where the Ukraine president said it didn't happen? Completely forget about that part don't ya? This is nothing more than being mad 3+ later that the Democrats lost. A bunch of poor sport children who know that the only way they can win is by impeachment. Sadly if that were not the case Democrats would be doing their jobs.
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What about it? It's a data point that should be considered, but isn't the end of the story at all.

You didn't answer my question. What would it take for you to ok a full investigation?
 
DasJazz said:
No I am not. I get the perspective that he is technically a political rival but as of today, he hasn't won the nomination and things look to be trending Warren's way to me so I just don't buy into as much. He's just a former corrupt VP as of now.
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When asked today if Trump had launched an anti-corruption investigation in another country that didn’t involve his political rivals, he stumbled over an answer and said, “I’d have to think about it.”

So obviously, we know what the answer is.

Ukraine isn’t even in the top 50 most corrupt countries rated by the CPI. If corruption was really a priority, why wouldn’t he make the corruption found in Iraq, Afghanistan, Russia, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia a priority? All of those countries are ranked worse in corruption than Ukraine.

In May Rudy Guiliani said this about the Ukrainian investigation:

Within days of her ouster on May 9, Giuliani seemed determined to seize an unsanctioned diplomatic role for himself, announcing plans to travel to Ukraine to push for investigations that would “be very, very helpful to my client, and may turn out to be helpful to my government.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...18aaec-deec-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html

It’s already been documented by his own personal lawyer, his own diplomats, by his own communications with Ukraine, and by his own mouth in the past week why he directed investigations in Ukraine. Why else were they putting his communications with these leaders on a classified server?

He directed investigations to hurt political rivals and help himself politically. Just because Warren might end up being the nominee doesn’t mean that Trump hasn’t grossly abused his power in office. Really it doesn’t matter who ends up being the Democratic nominee, Trump has committed impeachable offenses that have hurt our country.

Oh and now here’s this:



Trump’s personal goals seeped into calls. He pestered Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe for help in recommending him for a Nobel Prize, according to an official familiar with the call.

“People who could do things for him — he was nice to,” said one former security official. “Leaders with trade deficits, strong female leaders, members of NATO — those tended to go badly.”
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Again, this is a gross abuse of power, a betrayal of our country, and an impeachable offense. He’s unfit for office no matter who emerges as the eventual Democratic nominee.
 
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