An Alleged 1953 UFO Crash and Burial Near Garrison, Utah

[fishonjazz]

I hate to share a Fox news clip with Tucker, but this isn't about them.

@colton what do you think about this guy's comments or credibility?



Lol @ all the people that deny UFOs and make fun of people who believe in them.

Do a lot of people deny UFO's and make fun of those that believe in them?
I rarely ever ever ever hear or read that. Most everyone I have ever heard talk about the existence of UFO's accepts the possibility.

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[Archie Moses]

Has anyone been watching the History Channel this week? I think it's something like UFO/Alien week and I've been enjoying some of this shows.


I was watching Ancient Aliens the other night before bed and it was the episode about Juan Diego, the peasant from Mexico who has a vision to build a church and to prove it, was given a bunch of roses and his tunic was turned into a picture of Mother Mary. It's actually really interesting and I enjoyed reading about him. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Diego After Juan Diego the episode continues to talk about Joseph Smith and his visions. Haha. Cringe. The only thing they had right about UFOs and aliens in that episode is the Native Americans and their history with the star people.

I tell my gf that half of the show is entertaining bull **** and the other half is super interesting and informative.

 

[Archie Moses]

 

[LogGrad98]

Just curious, why does Joe Rogan always look like he is looking at people over a pair of spectacles? He always seems to have his head bent over and looking up at people like his neck doesn't work properly. Weird.

 

[Archie Moses]

Just curious, why does Joe Rogan always look like he is looking at people over a pair of spectacles? He always seems to have his head bent over and looking up at people like his neck doesn't work properly. Weird.

He likes to lean into the mic.

@Gameface - you're a navy dude, listen to this video. Would love to hear your thoughts.

 

[Red]

@Archie Moses, you might find this of interest....

https://www.dailygrail.com/2019/09/...lligence-be-a-search-for-alien-consciousness/

Late last year, legendary ufologist Jacques Vallee uploaded a quite extraordinary paper to his website, with little fanfare.

What makes me describe it that way? The amazing fusion of the knowledge base of the co-authors, and the topics it discusses in relation to future SETI strategies.

Firstly, the three authors of the paper:

• Jacques Vallee himself – a polymath known mostly for his status in the field of ufology, but who also holds higher degrees in astrophysics and computer science, is an award-winning novelist, a venture capitalist, and contributed to the foundations of the internet via his work for the ARPANET.
• Federico Faggin – physicist, engineer, entrepreneur and inventor, perhaps best known for designing the first commercial microprocessor, the Intel 4004.
• Garry Nolan – a renowned professor of microbiology and immunology with Stanford University (head of the ‘Nolan Lab’). Nolan was in the news last year for his investigation of the Atacama ‘alien mummy’ (and is also rumoured to be the pseudonymous ‘James’ in Diana Walsh Pasulka’s American Cosmic).

As for the topics? While the title of the paper – “Towards Multi-Disciplinary SETI Research” (PDF) – might sound like a generic call for astronomers to work with academics in other fields, in actuality the authors are suggesting that SETI consider ideas from fields including parapsychology, consciousness research, anomalies and ufology.

 

[Zombie]

Federico Faggin

High School must have been brutal for this guy

 

[Gameface]

He likes to lean into the mic.

@Gameface - you're a navy dude, listen to this video. Would love to hear your thoughts.

I watched some of the video. I've also mentioned a couple times I was on the Nimitz when that happened. It was definitely a buzz on the ship for a day or two.

 

[babe]

I see some erudite knat-straining by OB a few posts up. Definitions of stuff, neat labels.

"Science" is not exclusive of material or natural things we can test, it covers everything. It's root is "knowing", presumably knowing things as they are.

Some things are within reach by our observational powers and instruments, where we can discuss the equipment design and capabilities and measure things like precision vs. accuracy and compile data if we will. Some things are not.

We can still posit hypotheses and logically expound on any subject all we want, but as always our ideas are no better than our data, so far as proof goes. But having ideas is always better than just not bothering.

I consider tales like levitation, psychokinesis, and other stuff like that marginally within reach of our observation and equipment, but subject to a large number of unknown variables we cannot really deal with.

I consider spiritual things real enough, and comprising a set of principles for knowing stuff that is outside of our present sphere of investigation, but solidly within the definitions and methods of science in an ultimate, or future sense of our capabilities. But it is good to remember the difference between stuff we can objectively study and stuff that just happens inside our brains or hearts. Should not just expect anyone to be convinced on our say-so.

Probably a good thing to classify our efforts with precise definitions and labels, but expect the definitions to sorta fail sometimes.

I still think the Garrison report is just false. Made up story. I went there and kicked around. Great tales on Coast to Coast include a lot of pure spinning imagination.

Having seen some UFO-like stuff, I just think it's me that doesn't know. Probably some folks around who do know but should not tell.

As a veteran CtoC student, I'd say about 50% of the stuff is just made up tales. Aliens, remote viewing, abductions, most of the UFOs. But then I don't doubt some are real. I wonder about levitation, in the case of proto-cadaver.... as being gas somehow. Could be good or evil in it if it's not just gas or whatever. What I've known of it, I consider evil.

I do think there are demonic beings who can make home in some people and do stuff. A non-demonic being(angel?) would not be doing stuff for an exhibition to wow a crowd. But I have personally been protected by angels, given facts beyond my other ways of knowing..... warned, led.... I think the Kiva spirits are evil, not good..... but know nothing about them, really. Mental states induced by fasting, any kind of drug.... impaired. Bad "driving", as I suppose it could be.

I could not disbelieve in God or angels. Or the Devil. uhmmm..... about "remote viewing"..... as a power of human will, no. As a gift from God, yes. Literally, a true dream. As an evil imitation, if we are trying to exert power ourselves, likely. Might not be a true view then.

I accept loose logic when people are talking about non-material stuff. I require data for conclusions on climate..... enough data to reliably describe the whole system, which we are far from having at present.

But wow, is there a lot of study going on. Good times.

 

[Gameface]

@Archie Moses

I had actually watched a different Rogan podcast about this. So I just got done watching this one.

Starting at around 17:45 I think he says something that I can confirm. First, this was a topic of conversation on the ship, but it was in casual conversation. My Senior Chief I think talked to the guy in the video, and he was the biggest gossip (scuttlebutt if we want to use Navy terms) about this that I had direct contact with. As I've said a bunch of times here on Jazzfanz (and I think the first time I mentioned it was at least 5 years ago) they were not calling it a "tic tac" when I heard the story, they were calling it a "twinkie." I know that's not an important detail, as both those things are shaped roughly the same, but I'm just saying, the day this event happen I never heard the term "tic tac," the story I heard was about a flying twinkie.

But the thing I want to say is that, as he says in the video, this info was never controlled or contained. It was all over the ship (over 5000 people) and there was never any kind of effort to stop anyone from saying anything they knew, heard, whatever. There was also not any acknowledgement of it from the captain or anything in any official capacity that had any contact with me. It was a peculiar thing that happened that people talked to each other about and it created a buzz and that lasted about a day, then it was back to the daily routine of being on a ship.

 

[Archie Moses]

@Archie Moses

I had actually watched a different Rogan podcast about this. So I just got done watching this one.

Starting at around 17:45 I think he says something that I can confirm. First, this was a topic of conversation on the ship, but it was in casual conversation. My Senior Chief I think talked to the guy in the video, and he was the biggest gossip (scuttlebutt if we want to use Navy terms) about this that I had direct contact with. As I've said a bunch of times here on Jazzfanz (and I think the first time I mentioned it was at least 5 years ago) they were not calling it a "tic tac" when I heard the story, they were calling it a "twinkie." I know that's not an important detail, as both those things are shaped roughly the same, but I'm just saying, the day this event happen I never heard the term "tic tac," the story I heard was about a flying twinkie.

But the thing I want to say is that, as he says in the video, this info was never controlled or contained. It was all over the ship (over 5000 people) and there was never any kind of effort to stop anyone from saying anything they knew, heard, whatever. There was also not any acknowledgement of it from the captain or anything in any official capacity that had any contact with me. It was a peculiar thing that happened that people talked to each other about and it created a buzz and that lasted about a day, then it was back to the daily routine of being on a ship.

Tic tacs have the exact same shape as twinkies other than twinkies are flat on the bottom. I imagine someone said, if you want people to take you seriously stop calling it a damn twinkie.

That's cool you were on the same ship. There are skeptics that say it was radar malfunctions or natural phenomenon. The thing that gets me is 4 different guys watched it with their naked eyes.

The 2015 Gimbal video is even better. Those guys were seeing UFOs every day. They split one and almost hit it.

The other creepy thing is and the video doesn't show it, there was a fleet of them flying in formation.

 

[Archie Moses]

I referred to methodological naturalism because I see science as a fundamentally material process of investigation. That means that, were you to posit some non-material phenomenon, science is basically unequipped to investigate it.

It's man, not science that's unequipped to investigate it.

Mankind is still in the infancy of understanding science. As we advanced, we'll be better at investigating it.