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Trump abandons Kurdish allies to Turkish invasion

Zombie said:
I'm really glad this thread has been mostly absent of the mindless Trumpbots. It's a little telling tho tbh.

I hope I didn't just jinx it.
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I completely agree. It’s nice to not have to sift through a thread full of ignored posts and people purposely trying to derail the conversation.

On that note, if true it means that Donald got completely schooled by Putin, again.

 
Zombie said:
I can't get over people seeing that and thinking, yep- that's still my guy.
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Well yeah trump might not be perfect but what about Hillary and Benghazi? What about uranium one? What about Obama and flexibility? Whatabout... ;)
 
Zombie said:
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This will effectively put the region into Turkish control, and cast the fate of thousands of captured ISIS prisoners into doubt.

I don't know what options the Kurds have here.

This statement doesn't read like there was consultation with either the State Dept, or DoD, the language is very Trumpian.

I'm getting a wag the dog kind of vibe from it.
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Well, maybe we should turn ISIS prisoners over to the Syrian government, which was doing a decent job of keeping the extremists in check until Obama -- with the blessing of neocons -- undertook a policy of encouraging the overthrow of President Assad. Assad's crime, as near as I can tell, was his willingness to accept Russian aid, which pissed off our generals and neocons hugely.

Is Assad a kind and benevolent ruler? Absolutely not, the guy is a tyrant. I suspect our reasons for going into Syria wasn't to protect the Kurds (who had been instigating terrorist attacks in Turkey!) but to have forces in place to fill the vacuum when Assad and the Russians were kicked out -- a dumbass idea that would have involved us in another endless war we couldn't win.

Does anyone remember the Shah of Iran? He was another tyrant that the USA supported, who ruled Iran with an iron fist. But Carter didn't like the bad press he got for supporting a dictator, so he threw him under the bus, turning Iran over to a Muslim cleric, who hated us. That turned out well.

The Afghan war was handled poorly. We should have gone in, kicked the Taliban's ***, then got out. Leaving them with the message that if they allowed Al Qaida to set up another training base, we'd be back. Rumsfeld's quote, "If you break it, you own it!" has got to be the stupidest guiding principle for spending blood and treasure in US history.

If we had left Saddam Hussein in power, we wouldn't still be fighting an endless war, 18 years later.

Momar Khadafi caused us trouble in the 80's, until we bombed his palace, regrettably killing his 5-year-old son. But he learned a valuable lesson and (excepting an airliner bombing) stopped poking the tiger. But that wasn't good enough for Hillary and Obama, who had to see him overthrown and executed. Same with President Muburak.

But let's feel bad for Kurds, certainly they are the allies we've spent 50 years searching for. (If only they had an actual country, with borders.)

Or we could just quit fertilizing the ground in the Middle East with the blood from our sons and daughters.
 
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@Ellipse

Well, maybe we should turn ISIS prisoners over to the Syrian government, which was doing a decent job of keeping the extremists in check until Obama
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This is laughable. Like utterly hilarious. You clearly have no knowledge and understanding of that religion. Assad released many extremist prisoners in the first place when revolts in his country erupted. He used extremists who later turned into ISIS. He helped to feed ISIS in the first place. His government works with radical Sunnis to crush common enemies.

The rest of your ranting has bits and pieces of history but it’s so spotty that it’s hard to make sense of it other than “Hillary/Obama bad.”

What you’re suggesting will only hurt American interests.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/26297329

https://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631

Mohammed Al-Saud is under no illusions. "In 2011, the majority of the current ISIS leadership was released from jail by Bashar Al Assad," he said. "No one in the regime has ever admitted this, or explained why." Al-Saud, a Syrian dissident with the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces, left Syria under threat of arrest in 2011.
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/assad-henchman-heres-how-we-built-isis
 
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The Thriller said:
What you’re suggesting will only hurt American interests.
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Whose interests?

Which Kurds should we be supporting? The Iranian Kurds? The Iraq Kurds? The Syrian Kurds? Or maybe the Turkish Kurds?

We had no business getting involved in Syria, which was in the middle of a civil war that we encouraged.
 
Ellipse said:
Whose interests?

Which Kurds should we be supporting? The Iranian Kurds? The Iraq Kurds? The Syrian Kurds? Or maybe the Turkish Kurds?

We had no business getting involved in Syria, which was in the middle of a civil war that we encouraged.
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Aw. Changing the goalposts already?

You believe American intervention in that region began with the Syrian civil war?

You think leaving that region to its own doing will provide a more stable Middle East and safer planet?
 
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