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The Royce O'Neale Thread

Release the Kraken said:
Really? What are you in the first grade? I work at an at-risk inner city school because I'm the antithesis of a racist dummy. The comment has to do with social dynamics in a Lilly white Trumpian state. Both are similar NBA Cinderella stories except: in 2017 Ingles signed a four year 52 million dollar contract (14 mil just added for an additional year) whereas that same year O'Neale signed a three year four million dollar contract which has yet to be extended. Even before that in his leanest two years with the Jazz, Ingles was making 2.5 per. Watched Ingles opening announcements on opening night, he's like the Angel Maroni up there. Sorry but in my "racist" eyes, O'Neale is the more valuable player.
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Back when those contracts were signed Ingles was worth far more than O'Neale. Right now he's still a more valuable player, IMO. And still worth more to the Jazz than O'Neale.
 
JFFR said:
Let’s not get crazy. I love Royce, but he didn’t/doesn’t impact the game like Rudy. He’s the sixth best on the team, but could work his way up to fifth.

What’s the deadline for extensions? The best thing about Royce is his game. The second best thing is his contract. The Jazz are going to have to pay him. It makes me nervous because I believe that for the Jazz to be a championship team they have to have a few severely underpaid guys. Royce is that guy right now (Mudiay and Green are maybes.)

I was worried when Ingles got paid. But my worries were a waste because he ended up out playing his contract and the Jazz found Royce. And in the past the Jazz haven’t paid guys similar to Royce and regretted it (Matthews, Carroll, Millsap, might even say Korver.)

Should we start a thread on next year’s roster (will we have bird rights to Mudiay in the case that he blossoms and turns into #3 steal from Denver?) Or should we just enjoy what we have this year?



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DM is the big underpaid guy we have. This year and next.

We have a while with Royce... like a couple months or something. We are limited in what we can give him, but a deal that starts at $11M and goes for 4 years... so I think it could be a maximum of 4/$50M. He is eligible to sign under the same provision that Josh Richardson, Norman Powell and Spencer Dinwiddie used. Cedi Osman just got 4/30 under the same provision. I'd say Royce is better than he is... 4/$40M could end up being a solid bargain... I don't expect him to shoot 100% for the season as he currently is, but I could see him at 40% from three, good to great defense on bigger wings, can slip out in transition, and do some stuff with the ball in his hands. The stuff he is good at is really valuable. I'd rather lock him up now so that he doesn't get something more ridiculous than that. Only takes one ******* as they say.
 
Release the Kraken said:
Really? What are you in the first grade? I work at an at-risk inner city school because I'm the antithesis of a racist dummy. The comment has to do with social dynamics in a Lilly white Trumpian state. Both are similar NBA Cinderella stories except: in 2017 Ingles signed a four year 52 million dollar contract (14 mil just added for an additional year) whereas that same year O'Neale signed a three year four million dollar contract which has yet to be extended. Even before that in his leanest two years with the Jazz, Ingles was making 2.5 per. Watched Ingles opening announcements on opening night, he's like the Angel Maroni up there. Sorry but in my "racist" eyes, O'Neale is the more valuable player.
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This is one of the worst posts I've seen on here in a long time. Joe's first year with the Jazz he only made half a million whereas Royce made $815,600. Comparing the contracts the two signed in 2017 is just stupid, Joe was coming off a great season where he was our sixth man part of the year and a starter much of the year, he finished the year like 3rd or 4th in the entire NBA in 3 point percentage. He earned that $52 million contract and has more than lived up to it. Royce was still an unknown at that point and was in a battle with Bolomboy just to make the roster. How much did you really expect them to give an undrafted guy that had been playing overseas? Royce has improved every season and I'm sure the Jazz are going to give him a huge raise on his next contract just like they did Joe. I also don't see the problem with Joe being the one addressing the crowd on opening night, he's one of our longest tenured players and one of the leaders on the team.

To suggest that the Jazz pay players more or less based on race is just ridiculous. Did you see the contracts they signed Favors and Exum to a couple of off-seasons ago? They went far over both players market value. It could be argued that the Jazz are overly loyal at times and maybe re-sign their own guys to bigger contracts than necessary, but the players race has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 
Jingled said:
This is one of the worst posts I've seen on here in a long time. Joe's first year with the Jazz he only made half a million whereas Royce made $815,600. Comparing the contracts the two signed in 2017 is just stupid, Joe was coming off a great season where he was our sixth man part of the year and a starter much of the year, he finished the year like 3rd or 4th in the entire NBA in 3 point percentage. He earned that $52 million contract and has more than lived up to it. Royce was still an unknown at that point and was in a battle with Bolomboy just to make the roster. How much did you really expect them to give an undrafted guy that had been playing overseas? Royce has improved every season and I'm sure the Jazz are going to give him a huge raise on his next contract just like they did Joe. I also don't see the problem with Joe being the one addressing the crowd on opening night, he's one of our longest tenured players and one of the leaders on the team.

To suggest that the Jazz pay players more or less based on race is just ridiculous. Did you see the contracts they signed Favors and Exum to a couple of off-seasons ago? They went far over both players market value. It could be argued that the Jazz are overly loyal at times and maybe re-sign their own guys to bigger contracts than necessary, but the players race has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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And they were going to offer Hayward the max. Even more than he got from Boston

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Jazz Spazz said:
No way, you can't be serious. Rudy may have had half the points, but his 14 boards and keeping OKC from the paint was huge, as is shown by his team high +13. Royce was good and needed, but didn't have the same impact.
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Also 14 screen assists for 29 points.
 
Jazz Spazz said:
No way, you can't be serious. Rudy may have had half the points, but his 14 boards and keeping OKC from the paint was huge, as is shown by his team high +13. Royce was good and needed, but didn't have the same impact.
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I think you are underestimating what Royce did on defense too

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