Game Thread: Jazz @ Clippers 11/3/19 19:00 MST

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Rebounding is for sure our bigger problem but outside Mitchell we haven't had a consistent scorer and I think the offensive sets are the real problem. Discombobulated mess most times down. I'm hoping with a little practice time we can get things figured out. We've only given up over 100 points this one time. That should be good enough to win games with even a semblance of organized offense and more than one weapon.

Bojan Bogdanvoic is a consistent scorer. One of the problems that Mike Conley creates is that he's taking the ball out of Mitchell and Bogdanovic's hands when he plays.

 

[stormkoopacv03]

Again, it was an obvious lost with Leonard being back. But against the King, it was a pathetic lost. Always with the slow starts...

 

[ghsartin]

watch him, he’s just standing around not doing anything...he’s not rebounding, he’s not playing defense and just waiting around to jack up a few outside shots...even worse, he’s up off the bench, right beside Snyder, telling Donovan what to do like he’s some wily vet ...not a fan right now (so Shirley he’ll score 30 next game since I’m writing all this)...

Well said!!! In the "Jeff Green will be..." thread, I said:
"[Green will] not really [be] engaged either offensively or defensively, as usual. That's why, despite being long and really athletic, he averaged, for his career, only 5.4 boards per 36 minutes, to go along with appalling 0.9 steals and 0.6 blocks."
I'm not a fan of the guy! Green is soft as a marshmallow.

 

[MVP]

We can’t rebound second game in a row. Have not checked but would not be surprised if we dropped to last place in rebounding differential. Any g- league “ruffin or “reggie evans” available?

 

[SCS]

Only way it happens is by moving Joe and Dante (contractually). But it’s a very interesting point, even if everyone hates the idea. We can talk about boxing out, but everyone not named Gobert is poor rebounding, not just in general but for their position, for their entire careers. Nobody even rebounds well compared to SFs. If Gobert contests a shot, there’s nobody there for a rebound. Talk about boxing out all you want, you’re either a rebounder or you’re not. As much as people act like Love would be a defensive sieve, it’s important to look at what not securing defensive boards costs.

If Joe continues to contribute as little as he has, it’s a valid question (for us fans, FO ain’t making that move).

I think most of us went into the season realizing that rebounding would no longer be the strength that it was and that it would be a problem on some nights. It was an accepted trade off when we lost Favs to add Bogey's offense. However I don't think anyone expected it to be THIS bad. Fact is that the lack of boxing out IS the problem. We are literally giving up rebounds where we have 4 guys under the hoop not boxing out and 1 opposing player swoops in for a putback. There are going to be nights where we lose the rebound battle. And that's fine. Our defense is good enough to make up the difference and win games. We just can't get DESTROYED on the glass. We have to give effort and we have to boxout so that we keep the rebounding numbers as close to even as possible. This group is capable of doing that much.

 

[LogGrad98]

Rebounding, or rather lack thereof, lost this game. This trend will kill us over the course of the season.

That and Conley just sucks. Why did we want him? Meh, some of us were less than thrilled. He does us less than no good if he gives us 5 absolutely ****** games followed by a single offensive explosion. Anyone we can flip him for?

 

[jom2003]

Conley just never seems a good fit for us... yes we lacked playmaking and shot creation but that doesn't mean you have to overcompensate. now everyone just seems to want the ball in their hands and are completely useless when they don't. no one cares to do the little things such as setting good screens and boxing out. this is when i really wish we still have Favs and Crowder...

 

[SCS]

Conley will be fine. He spent 12 years in the same organization. He's adjusting to a lot on and off the court right now. I think that a big part of the issue for him right now is that for so long on the Grizzlies he was the #1 ball handler and the #1 scoring option so everything was going through him. Now that's not the case. Sometimes it's him, sometimes it's Donovan, sometimes it's Bojan, sometimes it's even Joe. He's trying to figure out where to fit in.

It's gonna take some time for the Donovan-Mike-Bojan trio to figure everything out on the offensive end and all get comfortable. It will happen tho. Conley is a good basketball player, he's not just gonna suck for good overnight.

Not worried about that at all.

 

[Jingled]

That and Conley just sucks. Why did we want him? Meh, some of us were less than thrilled. He does us less than no good if he gives us 5 absolutely ****** games followed by a single offensive explosion. Anyone we can flip him for?

We wanted him because he's been a top 7 or 8 point guard in the league for the past decade and he's coming off of the best season of his career. It's only been 7 games, we need to be patient and give it more time. It'll eventually click, it took Rubio half a season to get comfortable in Quins system.

 

[Dali]

It's quiet chilling that Conley has had one good game in 7. You'd think that a player of his caliber, and experience of 13 years, would yield another good game, instead of just one.

 

[Deleted member 365]

No question that Faves was a good rebounder but he was also a poor floor spacer. Also no question that Rubio was a better rebounder and brought a toughness that I feel Conley lacks, but he couldn't throw a rock in the ocean from deep. I guess it's always a tradeoff. Personally though, I don't think the Jazz have ever been a great rebounding team under Quinn Snyder. Why is boxing out such a mystery to these guys? I was on an undersized team in high school but we didn't get killed on the glass cause coach instilled in us the fundamentals of boxing out.

1. whatever advantage that floor spacing gives us is negated by our inability to defend and secure rebounds.

2. Conley is shooting worse than Rubio this year. Conley is a much bigger liability on our team then Rubio ever was.

 

[Deleted member 365]

We wanted him because he's been a top 7 or 8 point guard in the league for the past decade and he's coming off of the best season of his career. It's only been 7 games, we need to be patient and give it more time. It'll eventually click, it took Rubio half a season to get comfortable in Quins system.

Even if Conley figures out his offense, our terrible rebounding limits us to being a 2nd tier team. Which is where we were prior to all these moves.