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Red said:


The news media is held in fairly low regard in our country, at this time in our history. Yet, an adversarial press has been one of our most important institutions since the beginning of our republic. An institution that has, time and again, spoken truth to power.

Trump, by elevating the "fake news" meme, and "alternative facts" is doing more to forever demonize this critical institution, a free press in a democratic society, then any one prior. This demonization is one of the most damaging things Trump has done to our democracy. And one of the most irresponsible things. This damage will long outlive Trump.

Remember, truth is among the first casualties of fascism, or, as Timothy Snyder puts it "Post Truth is pre-fascism". A Post Truth era is an era in which a free press speaking truth to power is rendered meaningless.
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This is a disgusting video but it doesn't appear to be factual. Are you saying that Trump is behind it?
 
And if Republicans are the majority they will just #resist the plan regardless. Democrats will reap what they sow. You really thing Republicans are going to work along side the very people who are trying to impeach an elected president?
 
One Brow said:
I think she is also saying that paying health insurance premiums is effectively a tax, and by that reckoning middle-class taxes won't rise. I'm not fond of that argument.
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She's being disingenuous and lying for a reason. In my opinion it's because she knows damn well most Americans are against a tax. Many view taxes that we already ashave theft enough. All while our government gets more and more into debt. Hell one of the more notable times in our history is the Boston Tea party.
 
JazzyFresh said:
She's being disingenuous and lying for a reason.
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I'll agree it's disingenuous, but it's not lying.

JazzyFresh said:
In my opinion it's because she knows damn well most Americans are against a tax. Many view taxes as theft enough. Hell one of the more notable times in our history is the Boston Tea party.
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I agree that is likely the reason. People are dumb enough they would rather spend more on private insurance than on government insurance.
 
One Brow said:
I'll agree it's disingenuous, but it's not lying.



I agree that is likely the reason. People are dumb enough they would rather spend more on private insurance than on government insurance.
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I'm 1000% happy with my plan. A lot of people are. Its not my responsibility to fund others inability to act like an adult and get insurance. And not everyone falls into that category and yes there are some pretty bad issues with our current situation.

And yes she is lying. Middle Class will be taxed. She says we won't.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Warren. Its her claim.
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What you're saying is "Warren. It's her claim"

What I'm reading is "No, you".

Private Insurance replacement($9T) + Wealth and Large Corporation tax(~$6T/year) + Tax Enforcement($2.3T) = $17.3T

20.5 - 17.3 = 3.2T

Not really as far off as you thought, is it? Mix in immigration reform(great way to increase tax revenue), adjustments away from military spending, reduction in overhead, fewer bankruptcy and hospital losses, and reduction in out of pocket costs(co-pays, etc), and how close do you figure we get?
 
I'm still waiting for those numbers btw. You all are making claims like "People are dumb enough they would rather spend more on private insurance than on government insurance" but you can't even explain how.
 
Harambe said:
What you're saying is "Warren. It's her claim"

What I'm reading is "No, you".

Private Insurance replacement($9T) + Wealth and Large Corporation tax(~$6T/year) + Tax Enforcement($2.3T) = $17.3T

20.5 - 17.3 = 3.2T

Not really as far off as you thought, is it? Mix in immigration reform(great way to increase tax revenue), adjustments away from military spending, reduction in overhead, fewer bankruptcy and hospital losses, and reduction in out of pocket costs(co-pays, etc), and how close do you figure we get?
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Adjustments to military? You all are pissed that Trump kept us out of a needless hundred year war lol.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Adjustments to military? You all are pissed that Trump kept us out of a needless hundred year war lol.
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I've maintained for more than a decade (BushII)that our military is the most bloated military(financially) on the planet. I'm yet to see anything that even sways that fact.
 
Harambe said:
I've maintained for more than a decade (BushII)that our military is the most bloated military(financially) on the planet. I'm yet to see anything that even sways that fact.
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I agree, that's why I was so surprised when Democrats took the warmongering route. I agree with you and most and most Democrats did as well before they shot on their own values because they don't like Trump.
 
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