2020 Presidential election

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Because I feel the wait could and would be much longer. Britian and Canada for example you can be waiting 19 weeks to see a doctor.

In the US, right now, under Medicare, senior citizens don't have long waits.

Who now paying our doctors and with free healthcare and 300+ million(fixed from billion lol) people where do these doctors come from. I can see any doctor I want right now, will that exist under Warren's plan?

Well, you can't see any doctor you want if they don't take your insurance, unless you are willing to pay the full office visit cost yourself. I'm sure under Warren's plan, paying the cost will still be an option. So, yes.

B) Thats why I'm simply asking for numbers. If I'm taxed 40+% like in Canada I'm paying far more. If I'm taxed 25% then ok. But I don't buy that. Most countries with this type of Medicare pay a ton.

I already pay a ton, and so does my employer. The real question is if we would pay more.

C) so what happens when you don't need your premiums? You're paying them regardless under Medicare. What happens if I don't even need a doctor? I'm still getting taxed a bunch.

That's how insurance works. You have to pay for car insurance even when you are a very safe driver.

 

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Spin spin spin



Donald tweeting this out... Isn’t this a sign of panic and worry? I don’t think he’d be tweeting this if there wasn’t cause for Moscow Mitch to worry. Btw, Mitch is even less popular than Bevin.



Wait is the GOP chair saying that Kentucky was a blue state before Trump’s rally? Ummm...



Welp

 

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So if some sicko makes a demented video about the upcoming Democratic Nominee you would encourage everyone to watch it and rail against the nominee because of a video that he/she/they was not involved in?

If they retweeted the video to promote it, absolutely.

 

[JazzyFresh]

It begins, “Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care,” and reports that the median wait for treatment across all provinces and some 12 medical specialties is now 19.8 weeks.

https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/braun-how-much-patience-do-patients-need

Canada Population 35 mill
US population 330 mill


Just something else to think about when you're not thinking about pulling 52 trillion dollars out of thin air.

 

[JazzyFresh]

In the US, right now, under Medicare, senior citizens don't have long waits.



Well, you can't see any doctor you want if they don't take your insurance, unless you are willing to pay the full office visit cost yourself. I'm sure under Warren's plan, paying the cost will still be an option. So, yes.



I already pay a ton, and so does my employer. The real question is if we would pay more.



That's how insurance works. You have to pay for car insurance even when you are a very safe driver.

Just providing evidence from multiple countries that you have no clue. And ps older people under Medicare see private doctors. Still waiting for you numbers on how we pay 52 trillion. You have no clue I take it.


Yet waiting times vary dramatically across Sweden's 21 counties responsible for financing hospitals. One dental patient in central Dalarna county told AFP that six months passed before his check-up, while emergency room queues at Stockholm's largest hospitals average four hours. The 2016 nationwide median wait for prostate cancer surgery was 120 days, but 271 days in the northern county of Vasterbotten, official figures show.

Swedes also complain about not being able to see their own regular general practitioner - and the ensuing lack of continuity - as a growing number of doctors and nurses are temporary hires employed by staffing companies.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businesstimes.com.sg/consumer/swedes-face-problems-with-health-care-system?amp

 

[JazzyFresh]

Britain's Version Of 'Medicare For All' Is Struggling With Long Waits For Care

Long waits for care are endemic to government-run, single-payer systems like the NHS. Yet some U.S. lawmakers want to import that model from across the pond. That would be a massive blunder.

Consider how long it takes to get care at the emergency room in Britain. Government data show that hospitals in England only saw 84.2% of patients within four hours in February. That’s well below the country’s goal of treating 95% of patients within four hours — a target the NHS hasn’t hit since 2015.

 

[JazzyFresh]

And I do want to say wait times are bad here but imagine how much worse they may be when everyone and anybody can go see a doctor over a paper cut or cough.

 

[Zombie]

And I do want to say wait times are bad here but imagine how much worse they may be when everyone and anybody can go see a doctor over a paper cut or cough.

Are you alleging that the wait times in other countries are caused by people seeking medical treatment for which there is no need?

 

[JazzyFresh]

Are you alleging that the wait times in other countries are caused by people seeking medical treatment for which there is no need?

Not the only or even main reason but yeah. One of the reasons wait times are so bad in Canada is too many people, not enough doctors. Now when someone wants to see a free doctor over a normal cold, which right now they may not think about it, yeah that's pushing someone else back. Now should someone be able to go see a doctor over a common cold? Sure, I personally wouldn't, but it will add to the log. As I've said wait times are already bad enough

 

[JazzyFresh]

Are you alleging that the wait times in other countries are caused by people seeking medical treatment for which there is no need?

Now I want to ask you a question. Do you think that if everyone has insurance the wait times would go down? If so explain. We already have a shortage of physicians but suddenly 44+ million who are uninsured including illegals and the shortage of doctors will suddenly disappear?

 

[Zombie]

Now I want to ask you a question. Do you think that if everyone has insurance the wait times would go down? If so explain. We already have a shortage of physicians but suddenly 44+ million who are uninsured including illegals and the shortage of doctors will suddenly disappear?

How about you answer my question first?

Oops, I missed your first post. So there's actually no correlation between how a healthcare system is paid for and what wait times are like. We have wait times worse than Canada in some parts of the country, while in the UK its actually easier to get in to see a doctor same day.

What you are doing is only describing one side of the equation. Right now a lot of uninsured people go to the ER for care, some because they know they can't afford to see a doctor and won't be turned away (you and I are currently picking up the tab for their bill), others because they are waiting until their condition is progressing to the point that could have been avoided if they had insurance or could otherwise afford to see a doctor.

So yeah, the bottom line here is that citizens of countries with universal Healthcare live longer healthier lives than we do, pay less for their care, and are happier with it.

 

[JazzyFresh]

How about you answer my question first?

I did.