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JazzyFresh said:
Holy ****!!! Numbers!!!!! So won't the 52 trillion go up just as fast?
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It already accounts for the projected price increases, which is why it is 52T.

JazzyFresh said:
What's keeping those numbers stagnant?
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The projections change about once a year.

JazzyFresh said:
What happens once companies start losing billions in taxes and move overseas?
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Most of the ones that can, have.

JazzyFresh said:
So on top of getting taxed 30-45% according to places like Canada you are now paying more for basic items.
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We're paying the 52T+, either way.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Yes but they are paying for it. If not then they are paying creditors. My point was that this would give free reign to go see the doctor whenever.
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Are you sure insured patients are paying more than medicare patients for a frivolous visit?

Both have copays and both can deny payment

Do you have any evidence to support your claim that medicare patients have more frequent frivolous physician visits?
 
Zombie said:
Sure, you have succeeded yet again at being annoying. Congratulations I guess.

Out of curiosity since I assume you will not be voting for a candidate who supports M4A, why don't you describe to me how we are going to pay for exploding healthcare costs over the next ten years? How many people will die for lack of care? How many homes will be lost to medically induced bankruptcy? How many people will be rationing insulin they can't afford? At what rate will our life expentancy continue to decline? How many people will lose their insurance thanks to losing their jobs?

I demand numbers! Data! Anything less will be an admission by you that you don't know what you're talking about, and are voting for policies you are ignorant of.
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Well done.
That's a jazzy post to the T

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JazzyFresh said:
Hey give me a plan that makes economical sense without her having to lie about the Middle Class and I'm down. Her plan sounds amazing but it's just not feasible. I've asked you to explain it to me in numbers but you can't. Yes we are done and talking in circles.
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You give me a plan that makes economical sense from your candidate.

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silesian said:
Are you sure insured patients are paying more than medicare patients for a frivolous visit?

Both have copays and both can deny payment

Do you have any evidence to support your claim that medicare patients have more frequent frivolous physician visits?
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While I should just answer like everyone has here and not answer at all, no I don't. I'm speaking from my personal theory and experience. If someone wants to prove me wrong I'm all ears. I don't think it's a reach to think 44+ million more uninsured people will go see the doctor if they were insured. Its pretty much common sense in my eyes.

Now again I'm not saying having more people go see a doctor is a bad thing, I'm talking about overloadng doctors worse than they already are.
 
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fishonjazz said:
You give me a plan that makes economical sense from your candidate.

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******** you all expect me to answer your **** when you can't answer mine.

But unlike you all I will answer. Nobody right now. Nobody right now is offering a plan that economically makes sense. Biden at least has the audacity to call Warren's plan for the farce that it is but his plan is just as questionable. Money out of thin air!!! No Republican has a clue what to do either. Unlike you guys I'm not going to go for a plan just because it makes me feel happy. Id love nothing more than a plan that's well though out and planned. 52 trillion, lying about taxing the middle class, and telling people the rich will pay for everything is flat out stupid. I'm sorry but it is.
 
JazzyFresh said:
. I don't think it's a reach to think more people will go see the doctor if they were insured. Its pretty much common sense in my eyes.
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I get it and agree. I thought you were saying more people would see a doctor if they are on medicare for all versus their current insurance.
 
One Brow said:
Yes, all the far-right conservatives are very convinced that they are the real centrists.

Here's a hint: if you think Obama was liberal, you don't understand what centrism is.



They remain silent, or present false narratives, on many things. However, it's nice to see us united in our mutual distrust of the press. :)
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Obama had the farthest left voting record of all the 2008 Democratic primary candidates, but you see him as a centrist. If I ever have a set of goalposts that I need moved I guess I now know I should give you a call.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Obama had the farthest left voting record of all the 2008 Democratic primary candidates, but you see him as a centrist.
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I'm talking about him as a President. I didn't pay attention to his voting record in the Senate. The ACA was a slight re-design of a Republican plan pushed heavily by health insurance companies, the Treasury secretaries and Fed appointees were all Wall-Street-approved, military spending increased, etc. Do you think he was a liberal President, and if so, why?

As he was representing reliably left-voting Illinois, you would expect his votes to be to the left. Considering his main competitors were Clinton, Edwards, Richardson, and Biden, it's not hard to be to the left of that group.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
Obama had the farthest left voting record of all the 2008 Democratic primary candidates, but you see him as a centrist. If I ever have a set of goalposts that I need moved I guess I now know I should give you a call.
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He wasn't more left wing than Kucinich, or Gravel, or arguably Edwards.
 
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