dont. you will be too fat
ENES KANTER: The third and last game of the preparation tourney will start in half an hour
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dont. you will be too fat
Stats may give a general opinion about a player but it will make you miss the details. I have seen most of the utah games this year, and what i thought about Big Al was, he is very talented but somehow he cant use his talents. He just lacks something to be a franchise guy. I didnt think a team would ever win a championship while it has boozer as the main PF and i think the same about Big Al . Well i give more credit to him than Boozer, at least in the defensive end, but still he cant be the go to guy of a contender, thats my belief.
Also, after D will left he was like the only star-like player in the team who got the ball in his hands all the time. But it doesnt mean teams performance was better. It is like, Memo's stats were significantly higher when Boozer was injured most of the season 3 years ago but it didnt make Memo a better player, just he had more responsibility and it was appeared on his stats.
InGameStrategy
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I agree that AJ got more touches, and that the more frequent touches might have contributed to higher stats (at least the scoring part--not necessarily the RBs or the blocks, the latter of which stayed about the same).
But you stated (or at least I understood) that you thought that Al's "commitment" fell when DW left. You still haven't addressed that claim.
I also think that it's a year or two too early before writing AJ off as a "franchise" player. It's been only one year that he's been on a team with a winning record--or at least a recent history of a winning record.
I ment, he seemed too frustrated to be on a team completely different than he came in the beginning of the season. I know he wants to win, but sometimes thats not enough, he just doesnt have a good basketball iq to carry a team to championship. Also after Kanter was drafted, i believe his commitment to this team is decreased because he may have it on his mind that Kanter-Favors will be the franchise players so he will be traded once they show the signs of good development.
Enes can rebound, play physical inside, score around the rim and make effort on defense. I like him better than Okur already.
larryselbows
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Enes didn't play all that poorly in the games I saw, just not spectacular...
This article justifies to me, at least partially, why that may have been.
https://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/...landing_bucks.html?blockID=546634&feedID=5059
Perhaps this is why Kanter never seemed to get touches or establish any sort of rhythm.
This article justifies to me, at least partially, why that may have been.
https://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/...landing_bucks.html?blockID=546634&feedID=5059
Perhaps this is why Kanter never seemed to get touches or establish any sort of rhythm.
InGameStrategy
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I continue to wait for you to cite specific examples and evidence supporting Big Al's diminished commitment (and now, your new related claim that he is frustrated). The only information that I've seen about AJ since Kanter was drafted is that he's working out harder, which is close to the opposite of your accusations of Al.
You're also exposing your illogic on this claim when you bring in the "Kanter-Favors" idea. Jefferson didn't know about "Kanter-Favors" last year, so it shouldn't have affected his performance (which I astutely showed to improve after your weakly suggested that losing Deron had something to do with it) or "commitment". Furthermore, with his NBA experience and familiarity with the Jazz system, Al Jefferson is in a far better position to be a franchise player for a minimum of the next several years. Kanter neither has the skills to be part of the "franchise" yet, and we have far less of an idea if EK has commitment to Utah than we do with AJ.
The only higher commitment that Kanter has to Utah is more years left on his contract--two of which are at the team's option. If anything, Kanter has the potential to be a franchise player after Jefferson does; i.e., about 5 seasons from now after AJ is into his 30's. It's possible that Big Al will move (or be moved) to another team before then, but it doesn't take away from the fact that Kanter is a long way away from having the (unofficial) franchise tag attached to him. He needs to learn how to play NBA basketball first, and these past games have given fuzzy indication, at best, that he will reach that potential.
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Running a clinic. Sepanol needs to take off his homer glasses for 30 seconds and actually think about how valuable Al could be to this team, especially given his work-ethic this offseason.
I told that after Kanter draft, AJ may have it on his mind anymore that he is not in the future plans of the team, i didnt tell he did have this idea before.
And do you really think it would help Kanter to grow faster while he is starting or getting some mins behind AJ for 5 seasons ? Durant didnt have a rookie year as people expected but he started all games no matter how many mistakes he did and then he entered to superstar candidate talks in his sophomore year, i can say the same thing for westbrook.
I was always criticizing AJ, it has nothing to do with my homer glass like dalamon tells, i just dont think he is a much better player than Boozer and we all saw the franchise would go nowhere with Boozer a few years ago but we continued to keep him longer. So i find it really unnecessary to get stuck on AJ hoping he will be a great player or whatever. He is already 26 and it is more or less clear what he may and may not achieve in this league. I dont care to enter playoffs this year or the next year and the next year if we are gonna fail like we did in the last 3-4 years.
I just want the team to give the young guys responsibility from today and set the core of the team clear, moving AJ and Harris (if we are gonna get some good assets in return) and get a good young pg like brandon knight and set the 5 man line up of kanter, favors, hayward plus sf and pg. I dont care if we are gonna enter playoffs or will be something like minnesota this year, but i wanna see a real contender in 2-3 years. I just dont want us to repeat the history of last 3-4 years. And my opinion about AJ is pretty clear, and it has nothing to do with Kanter or homer or whatever, Big Al isnt be the man to be the main big guy on a contender. He may be a good offensive player, good shot blocker or you can count many more, but it is pretty obvious, he isnt Nowitzki, Garnett, Duncan, neither Griffin and not even Kanter.
Fishsticks
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You Dont Trade away 20 and 10 players just because you have Kanter sitting on the bench. This arguement is asinine. We DONT know what we have in Kanter. He very well could be a BUST. However I do agree with you that Kanter does need playing time, but it needs to come in the confines of the distribution WITH Al. IF Kanter proves to have potential to be a BETTER player than Al then we move him NOT before. Like my cap outs?
Boozer was a 20 10 player too but what i mean is stats doesnt always prove right , it hides some details indeed. If you can trade away Deron from this team, hell yeah you can trade away a 20 10 guy. If we get something good in return i wouldnt hesitate any second to trade AJ. It is pretty clear, he is not the next Karl Malone. Will Enes be? We dont know, but it is worth trying. At the worst case, if Enes will be a bust(which i dont think he will) you can try to find another replacement for him after a couple of years. Just i dont support the idea to let AJ stay knowing he will not be the franchise player but just we may grab a couple of wins more this year. As i see, many people disagree with me and i respect, but my idea is pretty strict in this case. I dont think i will think differently about AJ after a year from now.
Do you believe anything just because it's said? Last year, Al supposedly worked really hard, but how do you quantify that, and does that ultimately matter? He came into camp slow and ended the season slow.