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ENES KANTER: The third and last game of the preparation tourney will start in half an hour

Verlin said:
He is not crafty enough to have no explosion. He will get his *** handed to him every game. I hope i am wrong, but the euro big translation to the nba has not been a very successful one.
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Good points, but I'd like to add one more thing......

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!
 
Verlin said:
I agree with this statement, but how do wemknow kanter will be even half the player jefferson is now. Even the "rational" people are saying in this weak draft we should be happy with just a decent player. Favors is the future of the jazz. Kanter will be a nice starter for us, but those that say he is going to be better than 16 and 8, ahem pkm, are just as "dumb" as me saying he is bust at 3. My defenition of a bust at 3 is a dude who get 13 and 7 and cant d up against athletic post players or score against athletic post players. He is not crafty enough to have no explosion. He will get his *** handed to him every game. I hope i am wrong, but the euro big translation to the nba has not been a very successful one.
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I m pretty optimistic that Kanter will be much better than either Boozer or AJ in 2-3 yrs. We have seen the same games but i see his mistakes in a different way than yours. What i have seen from Kanter are recoverable mistakes which are due to game lackness. I think his basketball iq is pretty good, just he was too much in a rush to prove something and he had funny screenings time to time (even though he does it very often which is a good thing and he has an advantage of having huge body to create space for the pg). So i dont think he has weaknesses that wont be covered over time. Im more than sure he will be a 20 10 player but he needs a lot of time for developing. I dont think we will lose a lot, if he starts this season together with Favors even if he will fail to avg more than 10 7.
Just i wanna see the future starters of this franchise to start right now. For me that will enhance our progress speed.
 
InGameStrategy said:
One problem with your argument: every once in a while, Jefferson played "the defense". So he sucks "in the defense" at least in part because he doesn't try and/or isn't focused--and because this coaching staff (and the coaching regime that preceded it) didn't enforce defense (even thought they gave lip service to it).

If the Jazz can get a really good guard out of AJ, then maybe I'd consider a trade. But AJ is making too much to be particularly tradeable, and a legit team needs at least 3 legit players at the 4/5 spot. (Millsap counts for only 90% of a legit player heightwise /ducking/).
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What i think is AJ cant be a good defender at all even he will be enforced by the coaching staff just because he lacks basketball iq and thats something you cant be taught. He should try mastering the things he does good so he can make them perfect and improve his shooting consistency.
But honestly i dont think he will be a cornerstone for the franchise anymore. I just dont see the talent and commitment for utah in him. We can maybe get a good SF considering AK will leave, plus a couple of trade picks and a player contact to be waived if we trade him or getting a pg as well adding harris to the trade.
 
sepanol said:
What i think is AJ cant be a good defender at all even he will be enforced by the coaching staff just because he lacks basketball iq and thats something you cant be taught.
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Again, on a few occasions Big Al has "exposed" his ability to play defense. As in he put forth effort and actually defended. Too bad, sepanol; the cat's out of the bag.

I also respectfully disagree that at least some on-court smarts ("basketball IQ") can't be taught.

sepanol said:
He should try mastering the things he does good so he can make them perfect and improve his shooting consistency.
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This is a given, no matter whether IQ is teachable.

sepanol said:
But honestly i dont think he will be a cornerstone for the franchise anymore. I just dont see the talent and commitment for utah in him.
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You have clearly forgotten (or never saw) the glow on his face when he was traded to Utah.

And he seems plenty "committed" to Utah on the offensive end of the court <<sigh>>.

sepanol said:
We can maybe get a good SF considering AK will leave, plus a couple of trade picks and a player contact to be waived if we trade him or getting a pg as well adding harris to the trade.
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If a trade for equal value magically appears for AJ, fine. For example, trading for Granger would be tempting. At $15 million per, though, I don't see it happening. But he is only 25 or 26, has been on even more poorly coached teams, and needs more time to develop--and be committed to playing on both ends on the court.

The notion that basketball IQ can be taught is debatable, but the fact that effort and commitment can be taught is not.
 
sepanol said:
There is a saying in Turkish, i will implement that to Enes, He has to eat 40 bakeries of bread to be a consistent offensive threat in nba.
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The main thing I learned from this post is that popular Turkish sayings don't necessarily make a damn bit of sense when translated to English. Now I'm going to eat 40 bakeries of bread and see where that gets me.
 
Verlin said:
I agree with this statement, but how do wemknow kanter will be even half the player jefferson is now. Even the "rational" people are saying in this weak draft we should be happy with just a decent player. Favors is the future of the jazz. Kanter will be a nice starter for us, but those that say he is going to be better than 16 and 8, ahem pkm, are just as "dumb" as me saying he is bust at 3. My defenition of a bust at 3 is a dude who get 13 and 7 and cant d up against athletic post players or score against athletic post players. He is not crafty enough to have no explosion. He will get his *** handed to him every game. I hope i am wrong, but the euro big translation to the nba has not been a very successful one.
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The difference between a great pick and a bust is 3 points and 1 rebound per game? Sounds about right.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
The main thing I learned from this post is that popular Turkish sayings don't necessarily make a damn bit of sense when translated to English. Now I'm going to eat 40 bakeries of bread and see where that gets me.
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Well, wrestling had been one of the top sports during the Ottoman Empire time, and I do not think there were weight categories at that time. So if you eat 40 bakeries of bread, you might have chance to become a top wrestler ( if we were in 16th century, of course)
 
Jazz4ever said:
Hopefully Paul George breaks out for the Pacers and the Jazz can swing a big Al for Granger deal.
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I think they are already ready to expend Granger. They traded George Hill, so I'm assuming they are going to want to start him at SG (or maybe just a Ginobili/Terry esque 6th man) then have George play SF. I just think they want more of a pure PF than Jefferson. Him and Hibbert wouldn't be an ideal front court combo.
 
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sepanol said:
i think that [Jefferson's commitment to Utah] lasted until D will was traded.
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Feel free to share your basis for this claim; Big Al's stats suggest differently.

AJ's scoring, rebounding rate, and even assists were significantly higher since February 25, after DW was traded. (Blocks remained about the same, especially per minute (per 30 minutes).)

And my recollection that he had more gross lapses of defense before the trade than after.
IMHO it is no coincidence that Al's defense was worse (or no better) in the Sloan era.
 
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