ENES KANTER: The third and last game of the preparation tourney will start in half an hour

[spycam1]

Yes, that was my original post. Sorry, no link. I was there when they played. I never said 'he dominated Cousins and it wasn't even close', though. I said Kanter got the better of Cousins and got him pretty frustrated. Neither of them are elite athletes, but both are very big, very strong, incredible rebounders, and above average shooters (both have NBA range). Kanter seemed to play much more under control, made much better decisions, moved with and without the ball better, and just seemed a tiny bit better at everything. I'm not saying he IS better, just saying that both were absolutely going at each other and everyone there came to the same conclusion .. that Enes was at least the slightly better player.

I also quoted Josh Harrellson;
Reporter: "You've played against some pretty tough competition in 4 years in the SEC. Of everyone you've played against, including your own teammates, who is the best you've gone up against?"
Josh: "Enes Kanter, definitely."
Reporter: "That includes Demarcus? You're saying Enes is better than Demarcus?"
Josh: "Demarcus is a really good player, one of the best. I'm not taking anything away from him, at all, but I've never played against anyone as strong and tough to play against as Enes."

Disclaimer: The above Josh quotes are not word for word, but very close .. just going by memory.

Very interesting. And thanks for the reply.

The fact that he seemed to get the better of Cousins when they played, and he dominated Jonas in the U19 Championships, really has me optimistic. I wouldn't change our pick if given the option.

Of course, I do expect a lot of growing pains his rookie year, whenever that is, due to sitting out over a year, but in terms of his long term development, I'm pretty confident in him.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Very interesting. And thanks for the reply.

The fact that he seemed to get the better of Cousins when they played, and he dominated Jonas in the U19 Championships, really has me optimistic. I wouldn't change our pick if given the option.

Of course, I do expect a lot of growing pains his rookie year, whenever that is, due to sitting out over a year, but in terms of his long term development, I'm pretty confident in him.

Perfect expectations, imo.

 

[Borat]

Who's to say that Kanter won't put up even better stats? ... And it's pretty stupid to speculate, since a lot can change between now and then.

My response was to someone who began speculating about the numbers Kanter will put up, saying it will be less than 14 and 8. Where were you then calling him stupid for speculation? Or is it only stupid to speculate when it disagrees with you?

It's just plain ridiculous that people are basing their opinions on Kanter's NBA success on 3 pathetic international games.

My mistake. Let's base our opinion on a HS Summit game and pathetic junior international games. Is that it?

If we all did what some of you dumbasses are doing, Carlos Arroyo would be receiving the max right now

Who said playing well sometimes on international arena deserves MAX? Have you lost your mind? People are concerned that 3d overall pick in NBA draft, who supposedly is better than 14 and 9 NBA player Cousins, played like crap against completely pathetic competition in all of 3 games he suited up. Stop insulting our intelligence with this Arroyo MAX BS. No one ever suggested doing all right against Euro competition means you are great player. We are merely saying that doing poorly again crap competition is a bit concerning. Get it?

Shaq in his prime would struggle to get double digit scoring in this league.

If it weren't apparent you were full of crap before, it sure is now. I mean Dirk and Gasol had no issues putting up great numbers against top Euro competition at young age, well before their prime. You are saying Shaq, who starred in NBA out of the gate, would? Ironically, you had enough nerve to call anyone else on this board stupid.

 

[larryselbows]

Blake Griffin didn't play for a year either. I expect a Griffin-like season from Kanter.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Blake Griffin didn't play for a year either. I expect a Griffin-like season from Kanter.

But he was the #1 pick in a stronger draft .. lol. Love how we all analyze everything in every way imagineable, really.

 

[larryselbows]

But he was the #1 pick in a stronger draft .. lol. Love how we all analyze everything in every way imagineable, really.

I'm just keeding. I hope Enes is solid this season, not expect much more. I think you're right though, if Cousins was playing for Turkey, he would have sucked *** too.

 

[sepanol]

sigh...

post...

players....

in europe...

Guys, lets wait for him to put on a Jazz jersey and play in our system. There's a reason why these twigs like AK and Jonas look like magic and kareem internationally. There's a reason why Duncan, Boozer, Amare, and Dwight don't look nearly as good as these euros that chuck up 3's. Remember that one guy who was drafted by the Pacers a few years back? He was that white PG that stared down Lamar Odom?

Hell, if we just looked at international play, Carlos Arroyo would totally own Dwill, CP3, and Jason Kidd.

Lets keep in mind, that Kanter is a low post player. In order for him to be effective, he needs to have plays run for him. He needs to do something other than set screens out on the perimeter for average 3 point chuckers who have no clue on how to run the pick and roll.

Remember folks, Kanter plays with Hedo. Hedo doesn't even give the ball up to Dwight Howard. Why... Oh why, would he give the ball up to Kanter?

Kanter's going to be fine. Worse case: He's a rookie boozer.
A guy that can come in, bang, get some boards, and score points inside off Dharris, Burcks, and Hayward breaking down the defense. Before getting his raise, regardless...

You know what, after these 3 games, i actually think Deron-Kanter would be a perfect pick n roll duo because Kanter is very active and mobile and he eats too much space while screening that would give Deron a real good flexibility on the offensive end. I think we should immediately try to send Harris and get a playmaker PG rather than scorer one.

 

[MattMan]

if Cousins was playing for Turkey, he would have sucked *** too.

Very, very true. There's not a big in the NBA that could put up "dominating" numbers with that horrid ball distribution.

This thread shouldn't even be focusing on Kanter's performance in three games, but rather the continued lack of information that we can actually judge the kid on. If positions 1-3 are only out for themselves and seem to think the paint is lava, we gain nothing from analyzing our 3rd round pick.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but the fact of the matter is that anyone here that claims they have a conclusion as to what kind of player Kanter will be in the NBA needs to get a butt flap installed on their pants. It's tough to hear you guys talking out of your asses when it's all muffled.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes, that was my original post. Sorry, no link. I was there when they played. I never said 'he dominated Cousins and it wasn't even close', though. I said Kanter got the better of Cousins and got him pretty frustrated. Neither of them are elite athletes, but both are very big, very strong, incredible rebounders, and above average shooters (both have NBA range). Kanter seemed to play much more under control, made much better decisions, moved with and without the ball better, and just seemed a tiny bit better at everything. I'm not saying he IS better, just saying that both were absolutely going at each other and everyone there came to the same conclusion .. that Enes was at least the slightly better player.

I also quoted Josh Harrellson;
Reporter: "You've played against some pretty tough competition in 4 years in the SEC. Of everyone you've played against, including your own teammates, who is the best you've gone up against?"
Josh: "Enes Kanter, definitely."
Reporter: "That includes Demarcus? You're saying Enes is better than Demarcus?"
Josh: "Demarcus is a really good player, one of the best. I'm not taking anything away from him, at all, but I've never played against anyone as strong and tough to play against as Enes."

Disclaimer: The above Josh quotes are not word for word, but very close .. just going by memory.

Probably because Cousins doesn't try during practices/scrimmages, too busy eating donuts.

 

[sepanol]

Very, very true. There's not a big in the NBA that could put up "dominating" numbers with that horrid ball distribution.

This thread shouldn't even be focusing on Kanter's performance in three games, but rather the continued lack of information that we can actually judge the kid on. If positions 1-3 are only out for themselves and seem to think the paint is lava, we gain nothing from analyzing our 3rd round pick.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, but the fact of the matter is that anyone here that claims they have a conclusion as to what kind of player Kanter will be in the NBA needs to get a butt flap installed on their pants. It's tough to hear you guys talking out of your asses when it's all muffled.

The truth is, he has too work very very hard to be a good elite PF offensively, like Nowitzki, Bosh or even Griffin now. But i think his gamestyle is very very suitable for nba and he will frustrate lots of intense PFs in his first year. Because he is very strong and mobile. And his defense seems ok, i dont believe it will be a deficiency for the team defense to have him like it was with Boozer or Big Al.

Only thing is, im not as optimistic as before for his rookie year. He has to work damn hard to be a good go-to-guy in last mins. There is a saying in Turkish, i will implement that to Enes, He has to eat 40 bakeries of bread to be a consistent offensive threat in nba.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Probably because Cousins doesn't try during practices/scrimmages, too busy eating donuts.

... I guess not all can be good contributions.

 

[Deleted member 365]

The fact of the matter is, that this draft didn't contain a lebron or Dwight.

So what if he was picked at #3? Look at the #1 pick, and he's anything but a guaranteed superstar. Same with Derrick Williams at #2. If Kanter ends up being a good player/role player, consider that a success. Even most experts agreed that this draft probably didn't contain a super star. But a bunch of good role players/fringe all stars.

I think everyone wants Kanter to be Shaq or Karl Malone. In reality, we should be thinking more Boozer, David Lee, or Kevin love.

Burks and Kanter can and probably will be good players in the future. But I think many jazz fans are too eager to find the next "franchise player" Deron Williams or Karl Malone with these guys. I can understand the frustration, we've been in the lottery for 2 straight years without getting Lebron. But with Hayward, Kanter, and Burks, we probably did the best with the chips that we were given.