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ENES KANTER: The third and last game of the preparation tourney will start in half an hour

Best 5 players on Jazz.....

1a. Jefferson
1b. Millsap
3. Harris
4. AK (if we are talking about last year/him still being on the team this year)
5. Miles
6. Favors (if AK is not on team)

Hayward didn't do enough all season to be a top 5 player
Everyone else sucks
The rookies haven't done anything

If I had to predict an end of the year top 5...

1. Jefferson
2. Millsap
3. Hayward
4. Harris
5. Favors
 
GVC said:
You don't dump superior players in favor of inferior ones because of height alone. Millsap will continue to be a productive team basketball player for years to come (dude was 10th in adj. +/- this season per basketballvalue.com, FWIW). The jury is still out on Big Al, Favors and Kanter.
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Who said anything about dumping anyone? (That's what she said.)

Mansap has 2 years left at a relatively reasonable price of about $7 million (it still amazes me that such a salary can be considered a bargain), and it'll probably take that long to more fully assess the upside for Kanter and Favors. Toward that point, the comparison will be clearer.

In the meantime, it's quite possible that Millsap will continue improving, too; he's already shown to be able to make a winning clutch shot a few times. (As for being able to defend Dirk or Pau, he might have to depend on opponents' aging rather than his own spinal stretching.)

Glad to see you citing +/- to attempt to support your point, though :).
(And good to have you advancing the notion that team contribution > individual stats, a notion vastly ignored in the prior usage of Fesenko (and even Elson), who didn't have a box score (or off-court work ethic) to support his on-court contribution, even though the latter is the most important metric. Millsap, to his credit, holds his own in all of these aspects.)
 
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Jefferson is down on my list for obvious reasons that I have discussed here many times. Miles is nowhere to be found becuase of his lack of stability. AK is missing becuase he is not under any sort of contract with the Jazz. If he was he would easily be #2.
 
1a) Paul Millsap - continued improvement of his offensive game get's him this spot, pretty reliable, only his size limits him defensively
1b) Al Jefferson - Big Al is one of the best offensive big men in the NBA and can get better defensively
3) Derrick Favors - the guys potential is ridiculous, just needs the minutes I think will go down as one of the best jazz players ever
4) Devin Harris - I thought he played pretty well considering the situation he was in, when he got injured it killed us(lost 7 of 8 games he missed) so his importance can't be overstated.
5) Gordon Hayward(AK is here if he comes back) - Loved how he finished the year, really showed off his great all-around ablity
 
prodigy said:
1a) Paul Millsap - continued improvement of his offensive game get's him this spot, pretty reliable, only his size limits him defensively
1b) Al Jefferson - Big Al is one of the best offensive big men in the NBA and can get better defensively
3) Derrick Favors - the guys potential is ridiculous, just needs the minutes I think will go down as one of the best jazz players ever
4) Devin Harris - I thought he played pretty well considering the situation he was in, when he got injured it killed us(lost 7 of 8 games he missed) so his importance can't be overstated.
5) Gordon Hayward(AK is here if he comes back) - Loved how he finished the year, really showed off his great all-around ablity
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iawtp. Would rep If I hadn't recently.
 
sepanol said:
Whatever i say , you will find a suitable way to manipulate my answers and say it is irrelevant, but if KOC has shared your opinion, he wouldnt probably have drafted Kanter.
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Sorry, bro (I'm presuming you're a bro); manipulation is not my intention. It's just that when you implied (or when I inferred) that AJ's "commitment" to Utah (or outlook) has been affected somehow by the drafting of a still-untested Kanter (whom Big Al might not know much about, much less fear losing his spot as a pivotal player and potential cornerstone on the team), my irrelevantometer and homerometer simultaneously sounded.

So at this point, AJ should create miracles in order to prove he is a good asset for this team in long term. (Considering the possible heavy salaries Hayward, Favors and maybe even Kanter and Burks will get in a few years, it doesnt seem possible)
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I think that your use of "miracles" here is overstating the point. While the Boozer experiment might suggest that a defense-less player starting to defend is a small miracle, both CB and AJ proved that they could play defense (at least every once in a blue moon--or contract year). They just have to start focusing on it--or the coaches have to start benching them when they don't. Tom Thibodeau (who, btw, has been available for hire for the past few years) already has started (although the motivation might have been offense, not defense).
https://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5993919

Or both.

In their cases, defense has more to do with discipline than with IQ.
 
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NUMBERICA said:
Do you believe anything just because it's said? Last year, Al supposedly worked really hard, but how do you quantify that, and does that ultimately matter? He came into camp slow and ended the season slow.
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Naw, I just see improvements in his play from every statisctical category over last year, and he had to work extra hard seeing as it was his second season back from ACL reconstruction. If you didnt see the improvement in Al's play over the course of last season on both Ends of the floor then youre either visually impaired, or heabily biased to the extent where you refuse to seek any positive light in Al Jeffersons development in his tenure at Utah.

PS, Id say he ended the season quite well, being one of the greatest scorers and rebounders in the NBA after the All-Star Break, during the playoff push when he lead the team. Also, his interior passing and defense improved, although the latter was somewhat marginal
 
prodigy said:
1a) Paul Millsap - continued improvement of his offensive game get's him this spot, pretty reliable, only his size limits him defensively
1b) Al Jefferson - Big Al is one of the best offensive big men in the NBA and can get better defensively
3) Derrick Favors - the guys potential is ridiculous, just needs the minutes I think will go down as one of the best jazz players ever
4) Devin Harris - I thought he played pretty well considering the situation he was in, when he got injured it killed us(lost 7 of 8 games he missed) so his importance can't be overstated.
5) Gordon Hayward(AK is here if he comes back) - Loved how he finished the year, really showed off his great all-around ablity
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Good list.
 
Here is the list of the top players last year in regards to adj +/-
People really don't have a clue how good Sap has become. He is the kind of guy you don't appreciate until after you trade him, and wonder why you have became the next Clippers, winning 20 games year in and year out.

1. Chris Paul +18.54
2. Steve Nash +14.41
3. Dwight Howard + 14.06
4. Larmarcus Aldridge +13.79
5. Kevin Garnett +12.85
6. Dirk Nowitzki +12.52
7. Pau Gasol +11.85
8. Derrick Rose +11.66
9. Manu Ginobili + 11.61
10. Paul Millsap +11.56
 
Okay, I don't see LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Blake Griffin, Durant on this list. Does it mean Millsap is better than these guys??

Jazz4ever said:
Here is the list of the top players last year in regards to adj +/-
People really don't have a clue how good Sap has become. He is the kind of guy you don't appreciate until after you trade him, and wonder why you have became the next Clippers, winning 20 games year in and year out.

1. Chris Paul +18.54
2. Steve Nash +14.41
3. Dwight Howard + 14.06
4. Larmarcus Aldridge +13.79
5. Kevin Garnett +12.85
6. Dirk Nowitzki +12.52
7. Pau Gasol +11.85
8. Derrick Rose +11.66
9. Manu Ginobili + 11.61
10. Paul Millsap +11.56
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Zerol said:
Okay, I don't see LeBron, Wade, Kobe, Blake Griffin, Durant on this list. Does it mean Millsap is better than these guys??
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It's an indicator. I know this is hard, but it's a pretty good indicator that says "Millsap is pretty damn good".

I feel like I'm interrupting someone bringing to light that Millsap is just 2 short (and having nothing else to say). So I yield the floor for this inevitable point that hasn't yet been brought up.
 
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