Clarkson vs. Burks

[Handlogten's Heros]

Snyder didn't, but why would any coach have given it to him (on a winning team)? I liked Burks a lot, but I question why he deserved that green light.

Burks played like he wanted to present his talent and ability to his friends, and like he was happy to be in the exclusive club that is the NBA. Clarkson plays like he sees nothing but throats out there that he wants to rip out (on the opposing team and in the stands on the road).

This distinction is massive when it comes to building a contender.

I disagree... early AB maybe, but post injury he played like a guy trying to fit into a system that didn't fit his game. I think the opinion of JC is overly high right now because he's the new toy... before we declare this guy to have an amazing IQ and a killer let's give it 15-20 games.

 

[Ellipse]

I've liked what I've seen from Clarkson, but it has been only two games. I may change my mind in two months.

I don't miss Burks.

 

[Release the Kraken]

Burks aint broken bro. He is averaging 15.5 points per game, 4.4 rebounds, 3.0 assists, and 1.3 steals per game (29.1 minutes per game) this season.
His shot mechanics are and that’s why he’s so inconsistent IMO. You forgot the hitch? Almost Alonzo Ball territory.


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His shot mechanics are and that’s why he’s so inconsistent IMO. You forgot the hitch? Almost Lonzo Ball territory. I won’t even get into the mental lapses.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Clarkson's mentality seems to more along the line of Lou Williams'.

Burks' wasn't like that with the Jazz. He always seemed to be in his own head and unable to ascend to a killer instinct with regards to his play.

maybe after the injuries, he was a killer in the 4th quarter in Snyder’s first year, then the injuries started. He was playing with a killer instinct. How easy it must be to forget how good he was before the injuries started. He was one of the best 4th quarter players that year before his season was cut short.

 

[infection]

It feels like Clarkson has a greater shooting range than Burks. I rarely thought a Burks 3 was going in. His shot was so flat. While Clarkson’s 3s seems close every time.

It may sound silly but if you look/listen to the way the ball goes through the net on his shots, it’s quite crisp. There are just certain shooters that have it go through that smooth that you get an idea that they’re good even if they’re missing. I think his lower than expected three point percentage is due to taking so many and having a lot of them be contested. It would be interesting to see how his numbers compare depending on how guarded he is. Maybe I’ll try to look that up.

 

[outerspacefan]

Love Alec, but Clarkson is the better and more influential player.
I think people would be surprised if they take some time to watch Clakson's games with Lakers/Cavs.
To get him for Dantee + a couple second rounders was really impressive.

 

[outerspacefan]

<...> think the opinion of JC is overly high right now because he's the new toy... before we declare this guy to have an amazing IQ and a killer let's give it 15-20 games.

Not in disagreement. I concur we should give it some time. But IMHO reasons for optimism are there beyond novelty.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

I disagree... early AB maybe, but post injury he played like a guy trying to fit into a system that didn't fit his game. I think the opinion of JC is overly high right now because he's the new toy... before we declare this guy to have an amazing IQ and a killer let's give it 15-20 games.

I agree with you on Clarkson. But I never got the full killer instinct vibe from Burks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I agree with you on Clarkson. But I never got the full killer instinct vibe from Burks.

True... he has a laid back vibe... which is good and fine sometimes.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Not in disagreement. I concur we should give it some time. But IMHO reasons for optimism are there beyond novelty.

You know what... I will agree... but it is less about his actual output for me and just some random things I like.

He's fast and you can see he moves well... according to Locke he was a track star early in life and quit pre-HS to focus on basketball. You can see how quick he is.

He's got good wingspan/size and he uses it... he had a couple paint shots where he stopped and looped a weird hook shot layup over a taller defender (got it blocked once).

There has been other stuff too, but those things kind of surprised me.

 

[Watcher]

Why do we insist on comparing him to a basically broken player like Burks, why not somebody like Lou Williams? Cause that’s the conversation we should be having. The players know it. Maggette was talking about how highly Kobe regarded Clarkson with the Lakers. Kevin Porter talked about how Clarkson mentored him and helped him read the defense. Mitchell talked about how Clarkson is going to make his life so much easier. The only similarity between clarkson and Burks is they’re both athletic, but Clarkson has good shot mechanics and a high BBIQ.

It wasn't really about comparing them directly. They are rather different as you say. If you read the other thread Fish was basically just saying (after one game) that Clarkson's stats weren't that great in that game and that if Burks had the same line we'd be upset. And then went on to say their career stats are similar. I thought it was a fair observation and yet watching Clarkson I liked what I saw (so far) so I was trying to watch closer to figure out why.

 

[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

True... he has a laid back vibe... which is good and fine sometimes.

Good and fine on a good and fine team. But not a contender.

 

[fishonjazz]

His shot mechanics are and that’s why he’s so inconsistent IMO. You forgot the hitch? Almost Lonzo Ball territory. I won’t even get into the mental lapses.

Did you know that some players have less than perfect form on their shots yet still have value? In fact, watch Clarkson shoot tonight and if you pay attention you find that it ain't all that beautiful. Really low release.

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[Keefe]

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I OG thought Burks was more talented, but Clarkson is clearly much better. Makes decision much quicker, less wasted motion in his biomechanics, and a much more willing shooter.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Did you know that some players have less than perfect form on their shots yet still have value? In fact, watch Clarkson shoot tonight and if you pay attention you find that it ain't all that beautiful. Really low release.

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What you smoking?

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Pause it here, that's a low release to you? The shot is pretty damn textbook.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yeaeh, I'm watching Clarkson highlights now, Fish must be smoking that Burks Weed if thinks Clarkson shot isnt a beauty.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I disagree... early AB maybe, but post injury he played like a guy trying to fit into a system that didn't fit his game. I think the opinion of JC is overly high right now because he's the new toy... before we declare this guy to have an amazing IQ and a killer let's give it 15-20 games.

IDK who is saying he has an amazing IQ.

The difference between him and Burks is that he's willing to be a threat on the court anywhere he gets the ball. Burks was willing to be a threat if he got the ball where he felt comfortable and that was often a detriment to the team (denying screens). It's why Quinn likes him. It's why Quin didn't like Dante.

 

[Jazzta]

Yeaeh, I'm watching Clarkson highlights now, Fish must be smoking that Burks Weed if thinks Clarkson shot isnt a beauty.

I used to get high on Burks weed as well.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Quin has a type and it's players who play with confidence and at a high mental pace (not necessarily high IQ or some genius decision maker).