We need a backup Center

[Isaiah 1:13]

I’ve been complaining about him for a long time. I’ve also been complaining about needing to upgrade Mudiay and Jiang for a long time. The win streak blinded some people to those weaknesses, and it also blinded people to how much we’ve needed Conley, but I’ve consistently been saying this, as have others, it’s just that now people may be a little more receptive. But don’t worry. We’ll win a few games and people will revert back to forgetting what these concerns are. Until the playoffs, at least.

Certainly not opposed to picking up Bogut for a post-season run ala Golden State last year (he looked good), but with our contracts and general lack of financial flexibility, I think that might be the best we could hope for.

 

[jom2003]

There is nothing crafty about him at all. He scores in pick and roll when defenses ignore him and off of putbacks... which is more than I can say for Ed.

He’s a basic bitch... got stuffed at the rim twice last night because he’s basic.

If he could defend it might be enough though... so far he’s not been great though.

Stats have shown he's at least passable on rim protection while being above average on offense. His screen assist % and ppg scored as a roll man in pick n roll are pretty good for a backup center. Again, nit saying he is the best center in the world or anything. I'm just "fine" with Bradley being our backup center and an upgrade over him, while not entirely impossible, would be pretty hard to pull off. Like, saying the likes of Fesenko or some non-nba players would be a better option than TB is just too much...

 

[jom2003]

We don't need a back-up center. Last year, Ed Davis was one of the best back-up center.
His stats :
2010-2019 : TS=58.2% ; WS/48=0.151 ; BPM=1.0
2019-2020 : TS=38.7% ; WS/48=0.061 ; BPM=-1.6

Snyder must play Ed Davis. He must restore his confidence.

Agree. If we acquire more defensive help on other positions instead of relying our center to bail them out on every blowby from the perimeter, Ed would play more like himself from last few seasons. The issue isn't with our backup center

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Stats have shown he's at least passable on rim protection while being above average on offense. His screen assist % and ppg scored as a roll man in pick n roll are pretty good for a backup center. Again, nit saying he is the best center in the world or anything. I'm just "fine" with Bradley being our backup center and an upgrade over him, while not entirely impossible, would be pretty hard to pull off. Like, saying the likes of Fesenko or some non-nba players would be a better option than TB is just too much...

There are some exaggerations but saying it would be pretty hard to pull off is not true. I've said he is fine... mostly because he is not effing everything up like Ed was. Ed also wasn't working with the new bench group... so maybe he could be more effective.

What stats show him being an average defender (for a center mind you... center is the most important defensive position)?

 

[jom2003]

There are some exaggerations but saying it would be pretty hard to pull off is not true. I've said he is fine... mostly because he is not effing everything up like Ed was. Ed also wasn't working with the new bench group... so maybe he could be more effective.

What stats show him being an average defender (for a center mind you... center is the most important defensive position)?

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular

Rim protection stats. On average TB lowers the opponent fg% by 6% for every shot his contested.

https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular Season&PerMode=Per36

And for every 36 min he has contested more shots and recovered more loose balls than Rudy. And those numbers simply aren't bad compared to the rest of the backup centers in this league.

 

[jom2003]

Bradley gets way too much grief for this board. One reason is people see the difference when Rudy isn't playing. Duh.. Rudy is a top 10 player in this league and 2 time DPOY.

Many times Bradley was put in a bad position due to other players not being able to stay in front of their players. Losing the game sucked but I was thinking this might be the game. New Orleans is going to be a beast soon.

Jazz need to find a player who can match up with Ingram. Jazz lost because we couldn't stop him. Not because Bradley fouled or got block (i thought he got slapped on the wrist especially considering Rudy invisible foul).

This. We gotta upgrade our defense on other positions. If we have no solution for someone like ingram right now, just wait till playoffs when we face the likes of Lebron, AD, Kawhi, Giannis... And watch them shoot over Royce all game every game

 

[jom2003]

Besides our backup center, another person who's currently been asked to do too much is Royce. He is constantly being asked to guard players that are much quicker, stronger, bigger than him simply because no one else is up for the task. And he's constantly getting worked and abused by those players, last night against Ingram is just one of the many examples. and his stats have suffered as a result. I feel bad for the guy.

 

[gomretat]

Unless Ed changes the way he is playing he is not the solution - regardless of how he played last year. I think that could still happen but right now we are in serious trouble every time Rudy leaves the floor. This season would be trashed immediately if Rudy goes down.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Wow it’s almost like Ed Davis has had a Jeff green like journeyman career for a reason or something... 7 different teams in 9 seasons... weird

 

[homeytennis]

When Ed was signed he said he did not practice his 3 point shot. That bothered me.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular

Rim protection stats. On average TB lowers the opponent fg% by 6% for every shot his contested.

https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular Season&PerMode=Per36

And for every 36 min he has contested more shots and recovered more loose balls than Rudy. And those numbers simply aren't bad compared to the rest of the backup centers in this league.

Those are okay... I just think there is so much noise in any defensive metric. I think when he gets in the game they just attack him. So the 6% reduction is nice... but lots of guys have that... he contested a lot of shots which is nice... but that means they running at him. It also doesn't figure in how many times a game he fouls... free throws are the most efficient way to score in the NBA. He gives up a ton of those.

I'm more convinced on guys that are able to dissuade rim attempts... it's rare obviously.

Thanks for providing... I was genuinely curious what you were referring to, but I'm not convinced.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

https://stats.nba.com/players/defense-dash-lt6/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular

Rim protection stats. On average TB lowers the opponent fg% by 6% for every shot his contested.

https://stats.nba.com/players/hustle/?sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION&dir=1&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular Season&PerMode=Per36

And for every 36 min he has contested more shots and recovered more loose balls than Rudy. And those numbers simply aren't bad compared to the rest of the backup centers in this league.

So here is my issue with TB and I finally put numbers to it... he fouls a ton... when he is on the court we shoot 9 less free throws per 100 possessions than our opponent. Is that a big difference? Nope... its ****ing enormous. Houston shoots more free throws than anyone. When Harden is on the court they shoot 7 more than their opponent per 100.

Even if the offense is really good... that is tough to overcome. Ed was fouling too much as well... so your theory that they system might need adjusting could be valid.