Conley is a chemistry problem and we should trade him

[LoPo]

I got roasted for saying Conley was a bad idea. It was just too much to give up for a guy nobody really wanted. Bad business. Can he turn it around for a couple clutch moments in the playoffs? Sure, maybe. Still not worth his contract and definitely not worth two 1st round picks.

The only deal that makes sense for anybody: something around Conley and Davis for Batum and Zeller.

The contracts are close to matching up (this year and next). Charlotte actually saves a bit of money which is why they might do it. Zeller is a work horse who fits. Batum might be close to washed, but he can spread the floor as a big. Batum and Gobert have a long history playing in France together so maybe Rudy can light a fire under him.

Blake Griffin, John Wall, and Kevin Love just don't look realistic.



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[mellow]

It takes time for a pg in Snyder's system.

What concers me is the ammount of time it seems to be taking. I dont think this is just a system thing.

Clarkson seemed to pick things up pretty quick. If i have time later I'll dig up a few quotes for comparison. Clarkson says it is pretty simple to play Jazz basketball, Conley says it is complicated...requires a phd.

Sure they play slightly different roles but even if their roles were vastly different I gotta believe a training camp and half a season is plenty of time to catch on.

 

[LogGrad98]

Conley looks a little lost at times. But it's athleticism looks fine. He was quick and cutting hard this game. Things will slow down for him and make us a better team. Give it another month and we will be rolling.

We didn't lose to Houston because of conley. The team played really sloppy and didn't seem to care until the end. They thought they could coast through the game and then turn it on at the end and win.

We need Conley to get minutes and get in rythym. Him playing well could get us a championship this year. He isn't washed, he just had one of his best years last year. He needs to stay healthy and learn the system. It takes time for a pg in Snyder's system. Especially a player like Conley.

The concern is that during our recent successful run the last thing anyone said was "hey we really need another point guard to put us over the top". He was and remains a non-factor. He is redundant in the worst way, as in mudiay was playing better than Conley is now. We could have used mudiay last night to at least throw another big body at Gordon. I'm not saying mudiay would have won us the game, but with his effort and progress this season he has at least earned the PT. How has Conley earned the PT?

 

[LogGrad98]

I thought his effort was a lot better tonight ... but where he fits in is a problem ..

In Memphis , he played the pick and pop with a big that could shoot from range ... gobert isn’t that guy ... and conleys ability , or inability to find Gobert is a huge problem ..

When his shots are falling it kinda masks the problem ...

I’m not giving up on him yet ... I want to see what adjustments Snyder can do for him and the Jazz to make this work

Yeah the reason the Ingles/gobert pick and roll works is because Ingles can easily lob over the defense. Conley gets lost among the trees and cannot complete the play other than forcing up a heavily contested floater or layup. He also just plays too much iso ball. He is our new ball stopper.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I know. I really think we ought to buy him out. Hey, do the Millers want a championship or not? They've got plenty of money.

WTF does buying him out do?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I got roasted for saying Conley was a bad idea. It was just too much to give up for a guy nobody really wanted. Bad business. Can he turn it around for a couple clutch moments in the playoffs? Sure, maybe. Still not worth his contract and definitely not worth two 1st round picks.

The only deal that makes sense for anybody: something around Conley and Davis for Batum and Zeller.

The contracts are close to matching up (this year and next). Charlotte actually saves a bit of money which is why they might do it. Zeller is a work horse who fits. Batum might be close to washed, but he can spread the floor as a big. Batum and Gobert have a long history playing in France together so maybe Rudy can light a fire under him.

Blake Griffin, John Wall, and Kevin Love just don't look realistic.



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There would be more than a handful of deals if we really wanted to move him. Many better than this one.

 

[JazzyFresh]

Lol we lose one game and y'all lose your ****. It's hilarious. A game where every single player outside of Spyda played like absolute garbage.

 

[sgjazzfan]

Mudiay has taken a lot of time to slowly get better in the system, but he's still not great. I don't know if Conley is buying in or not. He looked OK for a stretch in November, but was inconsistent, then he got hurt. I still think his ceiling is higher than Mudiay for the Jazz, but no idea if he's willing to work to play the Jazz way. I know the Jazz looked a lot better without him, but the sample size is certainly skewed against Conley competition wise.

One thing we know if it takes time for PG to figure out how to play in the system, and they aren't going to get the same type of numbers, especially assist wise, as other systems. Rubio sucked for 3 months. Mitchell is slowly figuring it out the last 3 years. Mudiay wasn't good until about 2-3 weeks ago.

It's hard to know if what would happen if Conley didn't miss the stretch he did. Jazz didn't suddenly get better. It took cutting Green and benching Davis for them to really improve. Jazz weren't a negative with Conley on the floor in the starting lineup. Ingles couldn't play off the bench either.

Im not sure what the solution is. It's clear that the Jazz shouldn't have traded for Conley, but it's done now, and I don't see them benching him. I've wanted DM to be the PG since last season, but for some reason the Jazz seemed intent on keeping him at SG. I think they finally see it's better to have him at PG and surround him with more size and shooting.

I don't know if Bogdonovic comes to the Jazz without Conley Or not. If so, then obviously should have just kept Favors and signed Bojan. If not, then it was probably a net positive for the team, especially if they can resign Clarkson in the offseason. They should be able to trade Conley sometime during the next season with his expiring contract, and may get a piece in return to help the rotation.

 

[jom2003]

Conley is certainly tradeable. The Pistons, Knicks, and Cavs would all be willing takers (especially Cleveland as there have been no takers for Kevin Love's contract). The Jazz need more help in rebounding than they do in ball handling.

I don't know why Mike Conley hasn't worked - it's one of those things that on paper should have been a perfect fit. Maybe he will find his groove with the team just in time. Maybe not, I hope he does. The dude has Jazz DNA. Crazy as it sounds, maybe Donovan missing a few games here and there might help Conley adjust, but you really can't do that. It'd be nuts.

Not sure where you get this from... Conley is clearly a bad fit. He needs the ball in his hands to run the entire offense. Quin focuses on ball movement. He doesn't let one single player run his offense. Even rubio has to give up the ball a lot and learn to shoot/score. That is what we need. We need guards who can shoot and score. Playmaking is a bonus rather than necessity. Conley can shoot/score. But he is not elite in that department. In fact he's not elite at anything. He’s known for his wellroundedness as a PG and “underratedness”(so "underrated" in the past that now he is overrated). Jack of all trades expert at none.

And since he's not an elite shooter or scorer who can just bring you buckets from day one, by taking the ball out of his hands, it completely takes him out of his rhythm. The guy needs his touch to find his shot, but we cant give it to him. That's why we see him on so many awkward iso ball situations as of late. The guy is not good enough of a scorer or shooter to justify these iso possessions. He’s trying to force it when he should’ve given it up.

 

[LoPo]

There would be more than a handful of deals if we really wanted to move him. Many better than this one.

We are pretty much tied to $30 million next season one way or the other. I'd rather not be tied to $30+ beyond 2021. In saying that....not many deals where we don't lose more assets or more financial flexibility.

I hate this deal I proposed, but it's realistic. Not much else is realistic unless we bite another bullet (more bad money or losing more draft picks).

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[Handlogten's Heros]

We are pretty much tied to $30 million next season one way or the other. I'd rather not be tied to $30+ beyond 2021. In saying that....not many deals where we don't lose more assets or more financial flexibility.

I hate this deal I proposed, but it's realistic. Not much else is realistic unless we bite another bullet (more bad money or losing more draft picks).

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Nah NY would do expirings on some pieces... I think Orlando would do something around some of the contracts they have. If we want to really push all in Some sort of Conley for CP swap would still be out there. I think we should be willing to take on money if need be.

Worst case he continues to play backup pg role. He’s had a couple solid games off the bench. He’s not a chemistry problem... he doesn’t affect JC negatively... JC just chucks and it goes in or it misses. Joe didn’t come to play last night... he’s still a world hero but he gave half *** effort most of the night.

Whole team played stupid last night.

 

[jom2003]

Yeah the reason the Ingles/gobert pick and roll works is because Ingles can easily lob over the defense. Conley gets lost among the trees and cannot complete the play other than forcing up a heavily contested floater or layup. He also just plays too much iso ball. He is our new ball stopper.

Yep. Conley is simply too short to fit Rudy or DM. Rudy is not Gasol, Z-Bo or JV. He is too slow on his gather so he needs to catch the ball high then finish high. As long as Rudy is on the floor. Conley's playmaking will not work in our offense. Whenever Rudy comes out to set a screen, you either lob the ball over to him as he rolls to the basket, or drive all the way and finish using his pick. Conley could do neither.