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Utah Jazz 5 on 5 Roundtable

Who are these folks answering these questions? They are terrible.

1 - Trading Deron Williams was the right move: How the hell would we know? We don't know what discussions Deron had with management. We don't know the likelyhood he was likely to bolt. We are guessing in an information vacuum. The best I have to go on, and it's paper thin, is that when someone asked Deron if it was true that he wanted to (something like) play in NY, his answer wasn't yes or no. His answer was to dodge the question by saying the source wasn't credible. To me that indicated that he didn't have long term plans in Utah. (paper thin, like I said, but, when tea leaves are all you have you read tea leaves) Given this opinion of mine that Deron had plans to move on, the Jazz made the correct move. Even if Deron had planned on staying, the last couple months he was here he just looked like he was dogging it to me. Not to mention him helping Sloan out the door. I was ready for him to go. I'm excited about the new guys. I think we'll need 3 more years to judge whether or not this was a good move on the court or not, but, it's got my vote as being a good bet by management given the situation.

Time to say goodbye to AK? Again, it depends. If he's cheap it's not time. If he's expensive it's time. I don't know what his market value is. I don't know if he's willing to 'give back' some of that money by taking less than he's worth. I do know that he's only good for about 30 games a year, the rest of the time he's just a guy limping around with a tweaked back or modeling a suit. I love AK, but, unless he wants to take a Korver like contract it's time for him to move on down the road.

Who should start? Man, I can't believe how wrong those pundits are. It's Jefferson and Favors. Millsap is the 3rd big. Kanter will likely struggle to get more than 12-15 min. But, it's even money that a trade is made. So, until we see the roster on opening day even this question is an unknown.

Burks or Fredette: I can't say. But, how is Millsap a slasher? If I had to bet I'd put my money on Burks he just has a lot more upside with his size, age, and athleticism. I wouldn't bet the house though, maybe a donut.

Brightest future: Yup, it's Utah. On paper it's the Clippers, but, if the Clippers were so loaded how come they couldn't make the playoffs last year? It's the Clippers. If you've been watching the NBA for the last 20+ years you know that bright future and Clippers don't belong in the same sentence. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 20+ times? No thanks. Oh and don't try to sell me that this isn't your father's Clippers. This Clipper team just paid Kyrie Irving to exchange 2 years of Baron Davis for 2 years of Mo Williams. This is still your father's Clippers.
 
My biggest problem was Thorpe calling Millsap a slasher. ****ing dumb. He may slash between guys for rebounds and the like. But he's not a ****ing slasher.

A lot of his points came off slashes, especially in the Dwill era. Not that absurd of a statement.
 
I don't understand why people keep wanting Hayward to be a 2. He played some PF in college and with some work in he will be an adequate, skilled SF who can shoot and is a threat outside the arc. Burks on the other hand has the potential to be a very good shooting guard in the NBA and CJ can come off the bench for either position.
Ask KOC...Hayward was drafted as a potential SG. KOC talked about creating mismatches at positions when he spoke about the reasons for drafting Hayward. He certainly can't create mismatches at SF; he could as one of the tallest SG's in the league.


But things change. Hayward has put on some muscle. And CJ was told to lose weight so he could play SG. To me that says Gordon might play a lot at SF, with Millsap or CJ backing him up. Maybe CJ starts at SG and Burks gets the back up mins. Let's hope Bell only sees minutes in case of emergency.
 
Lebron's a slasher. D Wade's a slasher. Millsap's not a slasher, imo, based on the typical usage of the term.

I actually think it's a typo. There's no way anyone as knowledgeable as Thorpe would characterize Millsap a slasher. Not sure who he meant, though. Maybe Miles.

There is an interesting takeaway from what he said, however. We're going to have more slashers getting minutes than shooters (and Harris can be factored into that). So it would be stunning if Ty isn't going to retrofit the offense with more pick and roll from the wings. If our wings are Hayward, CJ, Burks, and maybe Sap or AK, we should see an offense that looks a lot different than it has in the past. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does.
 
Who are these folks answering these questions? They are terrible.

1 - Trading Deron Williams was the right move: How the hell would we know? We don't know what discussions Deron had with management. We don't know the likelyhood he was likely to bolt. We are guessing in an information vacuum. The best I have to go on, and it's paper thin, is that when someone asked Deron if it was true that he wanted to (something like) play in NY, his answer wasn't yes or no. His answer was to dodge the question by saying the source wasn't credible. To me that indicated that he didn't have long term plans in Utah. (paper thin, like I said, but, when tea leaves are all you have you read tea leaves) Given this opinion of mine that Deron had plans to move on, the Jazz made the correct move. Even if Deron had planned on staying, the last couple months he was here he just looked like he was dogging it to me. Not to mention him helping Sloan out the door. I was ready for him to go. I'm excited about the new guys. I think we'll need 3 more years to judge whether or not this was a good move on the court or not, but, it's got my vote as being a good bet by management given the situation.

Time to say goodbye to AK? Again, it depends. If he's cheap it's not time. If he's expensive it's time. I don't know what his market value is. I don't know if he's willing to 'give back' some of that money by taking less than he's worth. I do know that he's only good for about 30 games a year, the rest of the time he's just a guy limping around with a tweaked back or modeling a suit. I love AK, but, unless he wants to take a Korver like contract it's time for him to move on down the road.

Who should start? Man, I can't believe how wrong those pundits are. It's Jefferson and Favors. Millsap is the 3rd big. Kanter will likely struggle to get more than 12-15 min. But, it's even money that a trade is made. So, until we see the roster on opening day even this question is an unknown.

Burks or Fredette: I can't say. But, how is Millsap a slasher? If I had to bet I'd put my money on Burks he just has a lot more upside with his size, age, and athleticism. I wouldn't bet the house though, maybe a donut.

Brightest future: Yup, it's Utah. On paper it's the Clippers, but, if the Clippers were so loaded how come they couldn't make the playoffs last year? It's the Clippers. If you've been watching the NBA for the last 20+ years you know that bright future and Clippers don't belong in the same sentence. Fool me once shame on you, fool me 20+ times? No thanks. Oh and don't try to sell me that this isn't your father's Clippers. This Clipper team just paid Kyrie Irving to exchange 2 years of Baron Davis for 2 years of Mo Williams. This is still your father's Clippers.


Nice post.
 
I actually think it's a typo. There's no way anyone as knowledgeable as Thorpe would characterize Millsap a slasher. Not sure who he meant, though. Maybe Miles.

There is an interesting takeaway from what he said, however. We're going to have more slashers getting minutes than shooters (and Harris can be factored into that). So it would be stunning if Ty isn't going to retrofit the offense with more pick and roll from the wings. If our wings are Hayward, CJ, Burks, and maybe Sap or AK, we should see an offense that looks a lot different than it has in the past. I'm looking forward to seeing what he does.

Hayward and Burks can both shoot from mid-range and long-range. The Jazz like wings who can run the baseline and make back-door cuts in general. However, it used to be that the Jazz HAD to do this to get points out of Brewer and Kirilenko at the wings because they were flakey shooters. I think the Jazz are pretty versatile now.
 
Hayward and Burks can both shoot from mid-range and long-range. The Jazz like wings who can run the baseline and make back-door cuts in general. However, it used to be that the Jazz HAD to do this to get points out of Brewer and Kirilenko at the wings because they were flakey shooters. I think the Jazz are pretty versatile now.

I don't think anyone considers Burks solid from either mid or long range. His weakness is definitely shooting. Hopefully he'll prove everyone wrong, but he's probably got a learning curve in that department.
 
I don't think anyone considers Burks solid from either mid or long range. His weakness is definitely shooting. Hopefully he'll prove everyone wrong, but he's probably got a learning curve in that department.

According to most of the scouting reports Burks has a very good mid range game (collage wise). From the 8 to 18 foot range he shot a very good percentage. Its when he is behind the arc he struggled. The fact that the collage 3 point line is now considered a mid range shot is were you get people saying that his mid range game might be iffy
 
Lebron's a slasher. D Wade's a slasher. Millsap's not a slasher, imo, based on the typical usage of the term.

I wouldn't consider any of those guys slashers. Maybe I'm incorrect, but I always thought slashing (and being a slasher) was something done without the ball?
 
I don't understand why people keep wanting Hayward to be a 2. He played some PF in college and with some work in he will be an adequate, skilled SF who can shoot and is a threat outside the arc. Burks on the other hand has the potential to be a very good shooting guard in the NBA and CJ can come off the bench for either position.

Because he can't guard most NBA 3's.
 
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