2020 Presidential election

[Jonah]

LOL. If Trump faces Sanders I'm confident that Trump would win easily. I can see why certain people (especially young people) are attracted to Sanders, but the vast majority of voters will quickly realize that his Utopian socialist plans would not make their lives better in reality. Remember when Sanders used to point to Venezuela as a model we should follow?

Uhh... whoops.

Sorry, that is not a Sander’s quote. He never wrote or said those words nor does he point to Venezuela as a model to follow. He did say:

“When I talk about democratic socialism, I’m not looking at Venezuela. I’m not looking at Cuba. I’m looking at countries like Denmark and Sweden.”

That’s his actual position on his brand of socialism if anyone want’s to honestly argue against him.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

In all fairness, this is MSNBC.

I think if this gets to a brokered convention where Bernie leads in the delegate count, but doesn't get the nomination, it's quite possible that Bernie goes scorched earth and runs as an independent. At a minimum, you can't expect die-hard Bernie supporters to enthusiastically support another nominee.

What the DNC should do, at this point, is ask Amy Klobuchar and Pete Buttigieg to exit the race. They don't have a realistic path to the nomination, and they're just muddying the waters. The 20% - 25% support that those two represent would then coalesce behind other candidates and might put one or even two of those candidates on par with Bernie in the race. Then you'll have a clear picture.

Right now, you have one candidate running in the left lane, and four or five candidates cannibalizing the votes in the center lane. The result is Bernie as a frontrunner with 30% - 35% support and the other four-five candidates destroying each other. Bernie is the beneficiary of the other candidates attacking each other and getting in each other's way.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Sorry, that is not a Sander’s quote. He never wrote or said those words nor does he point to Venezuela as a model to follow. He did say:

“When I talk about democratic socialism, I’m not looking at Venezuela. I’m not looking at Cuba. I’m looking at countries like Denmark and Sweden.”

That’s his actual position on his brand of socialism if anyone want’s to honestly argue against him.

Ahh, you're right. Sanders posted an op ed with that quote to his official website. He is now distancing himself from it. No surprise. Socialists have a longstanding habit of praising the theories that they dream of pursuing, while running from the actual results.

 

[Deleted member 365]

You're so pisssed at me all because Sanders isn't my first choice? If he's the nominee I'm all about getting him elected over Trump. I will support him enthusiastically. But he's not my number one choice so you like hate me now. You're a weird MFer.

Can we just pause for a second and see what’s happening here?

So @Gameface claims that Bernie is too ideological and worries about his electability. After all, in order to win in 2020, Democrats will need to win over a lot of people who are hella more conservative than Bernie. Especially in swing states.

to which the Bernie supporters lash out at @Gameface with some of the most aggressive and angry posts I’ve seen in quite some time. Gameface. Not a trumper. But Gameface. One of the most moderate and responsible people on the site. A voter that’s probably to the left of voters we need to win in the Midwest in order to beat Trump. You’re insulting a guy who’s ON OUR ****ING SIDE. Insult the trump worshippers for all I care. Why are you insulting a man who’s going to vote democratic anyway but has doubts about Bernie’s electability?

Ummmm Bernie Bros. Do you not see the irony here? You’re only proving gameface’s point here.

 

[fishonjazz]

I believe that if he gets elected you will quickly be proven wrong. Rich people didn't get rich (or hold on to wealth) because of stupidity. If they think their money is at risk in this country due to ideas like wealth taxes, etc. they will move as much as they can to protect it. When people start moving money out of the markets it starts to tank, and convinces more people to move their money. It's the opposite of what many people did with their money when Trump made it more lucrative to invest it in our country.

So then we should let the rich do whatever they want to the rest of us with no repercussion or accountability. They are our Lord's and rulers.

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[fishonjazz]

It's rare to meet a rich person who doesn't want the economy to thrive (I've never met one and I deal with rich people for a living).

Rich people didn't get rich (or hold on to wealth) because of stupidity. If they think their money is at risk in this country due to ideas like wealth taxes, etc. they will move as much as they can to protect it. When people start moving money out of the markets it starts to tank, and convinces more people to move their money.

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[Getting Traded]

LOL. If Trump faces Sanders I'm confident that Trump would win easily. I can see why certain people (especially young people) are attracted to Sanders, but the vast majority of voters will quickly realize that his Utopian socialist plans would not make their lives better in reality. Remember when Sanders used to point to Venezuela as a model we should follow?

Uhh... whoops.

As Thee hath said, "You are such a ****ing idiot."

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You're so pisssed at me all because Sanders isn't my first choice? If he's the nominee I'm all about getting him elected over Trump. I will support him enthusiastically. But he's not my number one choice so you like hate me now. You're a weird MFer.

I'm weird for wanting everyone to have healthcare while you want people to suffer lmao

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

No need to be a jerk about it. That just creates opposition rather than support?

It's not my job to baby adults

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

LOL. If Trump faces Sanders I'm confident that Trump would win easily. I can see why certain people (especially young people) are attracted to Sanders, but the vast majority of voters will quickly realize that his Utopian socialist plans would not make their lives better in reality. Remember when Sanders used to point to Venezuela as a model we should follow?

Uhh... whoops.

Lmao buddy. Eat a dick.

 

[Jonah]

Ahh, you're right. Sanders posted an op ed with that quote to his official website. He is now distancing himself from it. No surprise. Socialists have a longstanding habit of praising the theories that they dream of pursuing, while running from the actual results.

It was an editorial from a New Hampshire newspaper with a readership that includes Sanders home state of Vermont. The thrust of the editorial was income inequality and for a time it was posted to Sanders website. Sanders distanced himself from it because a throw-away line about Venezuela was being directly attributed to him. He simply clarified they were not his words or his position, yet dishonest conservatives continue to insinuate, nearly ten years later, that they were. The fact is Sanders has never once praised Venezuela as a model for socialism. He does point to Scandinavian-style socialism as well as FDR’s New Deal. Again, if you want to argue against Sanders brand of socialism, that’s the place to begin.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Bernie is thoroughly more electable than warren— all the stats bear this out. Bernie also gets bills passed, often with bipartisan support— all the stats also Bear this out.

You can’t blame Gameface for being queasy about the term “socialists”— the American government shamefully misled millions of troops to murder civilians in the name of combating this purposefully smeared ideology. To accept that socialism isn’t evil would basically equate to thousands of Americans being sent to The Hague for war crimes (the leaders— not the infantrymen; they were just carrying orders).