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There's a chat exchange forwarded in a local group in China that says some guys from wuhan and Chongqing we're found positive again after they were released from hospital. They took a nucleatic acid test before release but after few days,took a Nat+CT test and found positive again. Now they fear that those who were released are still carrying them and a second wave is coming.
That happened about 3 weeks ago. My friend who was in Wuhan but now in Beijing had someone from Wuhan call and tell her everyone needed to be retested. She never had it but her parents did. But they had a bunch of cases that got cleared that later showed positive. But I am not sure if the tests were bad or not. But they have also had multiple cases go for over 30 days with no symptoms that were carriers and eventually got sick.

Also Shanghai was forced by the central government yesterday to shut down a bunch of things including gyms. China had previously said marathons and a few other things could begin in April but today they rescinded that statement.
 
Well Well Well...

What do you know? Just now on NBC nightly news the Head of CDC, Dr. Robert Redfield is saying we should be wearing MASKS even though you're not showing symptoms WHO are saying still saying otherwise.

Too little too late?!?!?!

Now they're saying at lease wear cloth masks... LOL .. 3,000 deaths and nearly 200,000 cases too late IMO.
 
Lol stop being such an old man, if you're on a computer left click and select open in "incognito" or "private" tab, or if you're on a phone long press and do the same.
I'm almost never ever on a computer. Sorry dude

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Lol stop being such an old man, if you're on a computer left click and select open in "incognito" or "private" tab, or if you're on a phone long press and do the same.
When I long press on my phone these are my options
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Well Well Well...

What do you know? Just now on NBC nightly news the Head of CDC, Dr. Robert Redfield is saying we should be wearing MASKS even though you're not showing symptoms WHO are saying still saying otherwise.

Too little too late?!?!?!

Now they're saying at lease wear cloth masks... LOL .. 3,000 deaths and nearly 200,000 cases too late IMO.
I started wearing one to and from my office, mostly because I've been under the weather the past few days. I don't think it is COVID, but just in case...

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Well Well Well...

What do you know? Just now on NBC nightly news the Head of CDC, Dr. Robert Redfield is saying we should be wearing MASKS even though you're not showing symptoms WHO are saying still saying otherwise.

Too little too late?!?!?!

Now they're saying at lease wear cloth masks... LOL .. 3,000 deaths and nearly 200,000 cases too late IMO.


Trump suggested we wear scarves.

Ivanka should be coming out with a new line of neck wear any day now.
 
That happened about 3 weeks ago. My friend who was in Wuhan but now in Beijing had someone from Wuhan call and tell her everyone needed to be retested. She never had it but her parents did. But they had a bunch of cases that got cleared that later showed positive. But I am not sure if the tests were bad or not. But they have also had multiple cases go for over 30 days with no symptoms that were carriers and eventually got sick.

Also Shanghai was forced by the central government yesterday to shut down a bunch of things including gyms. China had previously said marathons and a few other things could begin in April but today they rescinded that statement.

Wow I'm late. And I thought it's getting better but it's not. China isn't safer than any other country out there. It just "appear" safer
 
Today's Utah statistics:
** 887 positive diagnoses from a base of 18,537 tests
** 95% of people who have been tested have been negative for Covid19
** 73 patients are reportedly hospitalized statewide, meaning 8.2% of positive cases have required hospitalization so far
** 5 patients have died, which translates to a 0.56% fatality rate so far, up by 0.2% from over the weekend

The Utah State Health Dept. says that Utah's hospital capacity will be able to handle the expected rush of new cases.
 
Well Well Well...

What do you know? Just now on NBC nightly news the Head of CDC, Dr. Robert Redfield is saying we should be wearing MASKS even though you're not showing symptoms WHO are saying still saying otherwise.

Too little too late?!?!?!

Now they're saying at lease wear cloth masks... LOL .. 3,000 deaths and nearly 200,000 cases too late IMO.
WHO is in a precarious situation. The Asian countries who have had experience with epidemics in the past all have a culture of wearing masks and quickly following up with recommended steps in case of an emergency situation. South Korea, Taiwan, Singapoore, Hong Kong... they are all countries that had SARS outbreaks in 2002-2003 and Korea had a MERS outbreak in 2015. This is NOT the only reason those places seem to be handling this epidemic very well and limiting cases now, but part of it is their wide-spread use of masks. WHO strongly recommends masks for medical personnel everywhere. It's interesting that WHO doesn't recommend it for the population in the western world but recommends it for South Korea for cultural reasons.

This sounds insidious in a way until you realize the reasons for it... the reasons are that they are afraid of panic buying of masks and hoarding by the population that will leave the medical workers unprotected in the western world(just look at the toilet paper hoarders, imagine what will happen if they told them the masks work very well and are mandatory), something that's not so present in those Asian countries where they seem to have experience with epidemics and culture about it that won't deplete their resources for medical workers.

There is no reason to think that masks don't help at least partially for the general population. Even if they are not 100% proof to stop you from getting the virus, there are several points where it helps:
1. small chance it will prevent a droplet from someone else infected talking around you landing on your face, mouth, nose.
2. it stops you from directly touching your face frequently, thus limiting the chance you will transfer it on your face if you've touched a surface that has the virus until you wash your hands
3. all the sick are mandated to wear masks, because they limit how much the sick contaminate the ones around them and the environment/surfaces around them. A ton of people who are infected don't know it, thus widespread mask use captures a lot of them in limiting spreading the disease.

With that said - masks are not a panacea. They don't protect perfectly. Even medical grade masks don't have 100% certainty, that's why a ton of medical workers become sick. BUT - if we had unlimited resources of masks I bet CDC, WHO and every health organization would be recommending using them, because they seem to be helping with lowering the spread. On a population level it's not that important whether this or that person gets it, it's important that the reproduction rate of the virus is brought down to a level where either you slow down the disease and flatten the curve or bring the reproduction rate below 1, in which case you can hope to stop it altogether. Masks are just one part of the measures that help lower that reproduction rate.
 
Trump suggested we wear scarves.

Ivanka should be coming out with a new line of neck wear any day now.
Honestly, I have been appalled by how Trump has handled himself in this crisis. But this is not one of those cases. If people don't have masks, it's probably better they wear scarves than not wearing anything.
 
WHO is in a precarious situation. The Asian countries who have had experience with epidemics in the past all have a culture of wearing masks and quickly following up with recommended steps in case of an emergency situation. South Korea, Taiwan, Singapoore, Hong Kong... they are all countries that had SARS outbreaks in 2002-2003 and Korea had a MERS outbreak in 2015. This is NOT the only reason those places seem to be handling this epidemic very well and limiting cases now, but part of it is their wide-spread use of masks. WHO strongly recommends masks for medical personnel everywhere. It's interesting that WHO doesn't recommend it for the population in the western world but recommends it for South Korea for cultural reasons.

This sounds insidious in a way until you realize the reasons for it... the reasons are that they are afraid of panic buying of masks and hoarding by the population that will leave the medical workers unprotected in the western world(just look at the toilet paper hoarders, imagine what will happen if they told them the masks work very well and are mandatory), something that's not so present in those Asian countries where they seem to have experience with epidemics and culture about it that won't deplete their resources for medical workers.

There is no reason to think that masks don't help at least partially for the general population. Even if they are not 100% proof to stop you from getting the virus, there are several points where it helps:
1. small chance it will prevent a droplet from someone else infected talking around you landing on your face, mouth, nose.
2. it stops you from directly touching your face frequently, thus limiting the chance you will transfer it on your face if you've touched a surface that has the virus until you wash your hands
3. all the sick are mandated to wear masks, because they limit how much the sick contaminate the ones around them and the environment/surfaces around them. A ton of people who are infected don't know it, thus widespread mask use captures a lot of them in limiting spreading the disease.

With that said - masks are not a panacea. They don't protect perfectly. Even medical grade masks don't have 100% certainty, that's why a ton of medical workers become sick. BUT - if we had unlimited resources of masks I bet CDC, WHO and every health organization would be recommending using them, because they seem to be helping with lowering the spread. On a population level it's not that important whether this or that person gets it, it's important that the reproduction rate of the virus is brought down to a level where either you slow down the disease and flatten the curve or bring the reproduction rate below 1, in which case you can hope to stop it altogether. Masks are just one part of the measures that help lower that reproduction rate.
Yes I agree with most of what you put out here, but the problem I have with saying masks don't work or don't wear them unless you're sick is:

1. It gives people false information, and that is not good.

2. Giving people false information makes people question the authority's message going forward. That's dangerous because people are now less likely to trust and follow any advice and directions.

3. There's no urgency in producing surgical masks or even cloth masks VS N95 masks or ventilators since the authority have been saying that the form 2 did not work.

The head of CDC had just today recognized that masks are useful, I mean, after how many deaths later?

Facts are facts. There's no need to try to dodge it just because there aren't enough of something.
 
Yes I agree with most of what you put out here, but the problem I have with saying masks don't work or don't wear them unless you're sick is:

1. It gives people false information, and that is not good.

2. Giving people false information makes people question the authority's message going forward. That's dangerous because people are now less likely to trust and follow any advice and directions.

3. There's no urgency in producing surgical masks or even cloth masks VS N95 masks or ventilators since the authority have been saying that the form 2 did not work.

The head of CDC had just today recognized that masks are useful, I mean, after how many deaths later?

Facts are facts. There's no need to try to dodge it just because there aren't enough of something.

Absolutely agree with 1 and 2.

I'm not sure there is no urgency in producing masks. There is urgency... but there is just shortage EVERYWHERE. The western world is not ready for this type of demand. Almost every single country in the world right now is putting in orders by the billions right now. Keep in mind that a lot of the production has been outsourced to China and even if the production itself is not entirely in China, the resources and supply chains for those PPEs, medications, equipment, materials go through China.

IMO this is a strategic weakness of the Western world's strategy with handling crisis like that. In the future they will need to diversify their resources on critical equipment, materials, etc. even if it's not as cheap as going to China for most of it.
 
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