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Red
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You have to be a very, very unique brand of DUMB and NAIVE, to believe the mRNA Covid vaccines killed more Americans than two world wars and Vietnam combined. To post otherwise, making such asinine claims, without so much as 5 seconds of fact checking is: 1) lazy; 2) grossly irresponsible; 3) deliberately spreading lies for the shear love of “owning the libs”. Screw your own country, who cares, owning libs is all that matters. Respect for truth? That will never happen.
www.techarp.com
ESTIMATED U.S. mRNA SHOT DEATH TOLL: 470,000–600,000
Two independent estimations — one based on VAERS-adjusted data, the other derived from MIT/Florida Dept. of Health study findings — yield a conservative range of 470,000 to 600,000 American deaths from the COVID-19 mRNA shots. The true number is likely much greater.
More than WWI, WWII, and Vietnam COMBINED.
I’m not sure what he meant by “independent estimations” since it looks like that he made both estimates – more on this below.
More importantly, the two “independent estimations” did not show that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines killed more Americans than World War 1, World War 2, and the Vietnam War combined, and here are the reasons why…(read the article, if you believe the foolish claim)
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Low vaccine uptake and waning immunity are two reasons for continued Covid deaths.
abcnews.go.com
Fact Check: Did Vaccines Kill More Than WW1, WW2 & Vietnam? | Tech ARP
Did mRNA COVID-19 vaccines kill more Americans than WW2, WW2, and the Vietnam War combined? Here is our fact check!
www.techarp.com
Truth :
In the video clip, Joe Rogan referred to a post by (archive) Nicolas Hulscher, who said that two “independent estimations” somehow that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines caused 470,0oo to 600,000 American deaths:ESTIMATED U.S. mRNA SHOT DEATH TOLL: 470,000–600,000
Two independent estimations — one based on VAERS-adjusted data, the other derived from MIT/Florida Dept. of Health study findings — yield a conservative range of 470,000 to 600,000 American deaths from the COVID-19 mRNA shots. The true number is likely much greater.
More than WWI, WWII, and Vietnam COMBINED.
I’m not sure what he meant by “independent estimations” since it looks like that he made both estimates – more on this below.
More importantly, the two “independent estimations” did not show that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines killed more Americans than World War 1, World War 2, and the Vietnam War combined, and here are the reasons why…(read the article, if you believe the foolish claim)
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Low vaccine uptake and waning immunity are two reasons for continued Covid deaths.
Why are more than 300 people in the US still dying from COVID every week?
Last month, an average of about 350 people died each week from COVID, according to data from the CDC. With available vaccines and treatments, why are people still dying?
abcnews.go.com
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I know a lot of Americans voted for the teevee president last November because the media told them that eggs were too expensive and that Trump would be great for rating and entertainment. But I for one would like to have a regular economy, foreign policy that aligns with our western allies, and vaccines. Now we won’t have a flu covid vaccine anytime soon because stupid voters empowered a lunatic like Kennedy.
This sucks
www.reuters.com
Remember, if happy brown lady had won last November, your 401k wouldn’t have been damaged by a mindless trade war, Ukraine would be supported (and Putin’s *** wouldn’t be licked by Trump), and you’d likely have a flu/covid combo shot approved soon. Nice job stupid people! Take a bow!
This sucks
Moderna pulls application for COVID-flu combination shot
Moderna said on Wednesday it has withdrawn an application seeking approval for its flu and COVID combination vaccine candidate to wait for efficacy data from a late-stage trial of its influenza shot, which is due later this year.
www.reuters.com
Remember, if happy brown lady had won last November, your 401k wouldn’t have been damaged by a mindless trade war, Ukraine would be supported (and Putin’s *** wouldn’t be licked by Trump), and you’d likely have a flu/covid combo shot approved soon. Nice job stupid people! Take a bow!
Mongoose
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Fauci's a lying psychopath that deserves to be in prison.
View: https://x.com/0rf/status/1928551488768585869
View: https://x.com/0rf/status/1928551488768585869
Red
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“Well, we are all going to die”. A Republican saying the quiet part out loud: We do not care if more poor people die. Tax cuts for the wealthy is worth it.
www.motherjones.com
The largest Medicaid cuts in US history, which, if signed into law, would sever healthcare for the poorest Americans in order to offset massive tax cuts for the wealthy, have a curious new defense: “Well, we all are going to die.”
The line emerged on Friday as Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) attempted to defend the cuts before angry constituents during a contentious town hall. It was delivered with a smirk, and then, apparent impatience. “For heaven’s sakes, folks,” she said as the audience gasped.
It is true: Every one of us will indeed perish. But implicit in Ernst’s cavalier response on Friday is that the inevitability of death neutralizes how death comes for us. Jeopardizing health care for the most vulnerable? Why the hell not. Speeding up death for the oldest Americans by making them sicker? Well, we all are going to die.
Of course, the reality is that so much of the death that American society tolerates—our gun epidemic, a lack of universal health care, etc.—is a choice enshrined in our ****** politics. Just take a look at the staggering rise in babies born HIV positive right now, thanks to a similar casual cruelty of Elon Musk.
Ernst’s point is an accidental bedrock of GOP politics. Death does not matter, for certain people, if it means a supposed economic boost to the few.
"Well, we’re all going to die," says Joni Ernst in defense of Medicaid cuts
Joni Ernst's casual cruelty is an accidental bedrock of GOP politics: Death does not matter, for certain people.
www.motherjones.com
The largest Medicaid cuts in US history, which, if signed into law, would sever healthcare for the poorest Americans in order to offset massive tax cuts for the wealthy, have a curious new defense: “Well, we all are going to die.”
The line emerged on Friday as Sen. Joni Ernst (R-Iowa) attempted to defend the cuts before angry constituents during a contentious town hall. It was delivered with a smirk, and then, apparent impatience. “For heaven’s sakes, folks,” she said as the audience gasped.
It is true: Every one of us will indeed perish. But implicit in Ernst’s cavalier response on Friday is that the inevitability of death neutralizes how death comes for us. Jeopardizing health care for the most vulnerable? Why the hell not. Speeding up death for the oldest Americans by making them sicker? Well, we all are going to die.
Of course, the reality is that so much of the death that American society tolerates—our gun epidemic, a lack of universal health care, etc.—is a choice enshrined in our ****** politics. Just take a look at the staggering rise in babies born HIV positive right now, thanks to a similar casual cruelty of Elon Musk.
Ernst’s point is an accidental bedrock of GOP politics. Death does not matter, for certain people, if it means a supposed economic boost to the few.
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Red
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I learned of a new RFK Jr. claim reading this article this morning: the game of football does not cause brain injuries! Who knew!
If this claim that Covid vaccines will be pulled from the market is accurate, one more example of the dangers of allowing anti-science nonsense to replace medical expertise in the United States. It really is all about making America stupid again, RFK Jr. a leader in that front, and creating a universally recognized new image for America, one transformed from a symbol of human freedom, to and image of cruelty to undocumented human beings. That effort being led by Stephen Miller. So, under Trump, we present as both stupid and cruel.
The Trump administration will move to pull the COVID vaccine off the U.S. market “within months,” one of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s closest associates has told the Daily Beast.
Dr. Aseem Malhotra, a British cardiologist who has repeatedly claimed in the face of scientific consensus that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus, told the Daily Beast that Kennedy’s stance is shared by “influential” members of President Donald Trump’s family. Like Kennedy himself, no Trumps hold any scientific qualifications.
Malhotra is a leading adviser to the controversial lobby group Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Action, which is seen as an external arm of Kennedy’s agenda as Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary.
He told the Beast that many of those closest to RFK Jr. have told him they “cannot understand” why the vaccine continues to be prescribed, and that a decision to remove the vaccine from the U.S. market pending further research will come “within months,” even if it is likely to cause “fear of chaos” and bring with it major legal ramifications.
“It could [happen] in a number of stages, including learning more about the data,” said Malhotra, who said there was an ongoing review into so-called “vaccine injuries” by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). “But given the increased talk of vaccine injuries in the past few weeks among the administration, it could also come with one clean decision.”
Malhotra said skepticism among Kennedy’s circle of the COVID-19 jab is driven by a 2022 paperby a group of physicians and university professors and researchers, which appeared in the journal Vaccine.
The peer-reviewed paper examined secondary analysis of “serious adverse events reported in… clinical trials of Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in adults,” and said that those given the mRNA vaccines had a 16 percent higher risk of “excess serious adverse events” than those in the placebo group.
However, the study has been dismissed by large parts of the medical community, who say it underestimates the benefits of COVID-19 vaccines and overstates risks due to methodological flaws, biased data selection, and ignoring broader public health impacts.
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The prediction of a drastic move against the COVID vaccine comes after Kennedy canceled $500 million in funding for the development of mRNA vaccines. Such vaccines use a copy of a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) to provoke an immune response against certain diseases. They have received much attention since the COVID-19 pandemic, where they served as the basis of the most widely used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.
Days after canceling the funding, the HHS secretary—criticized for describing the COVID shot as “the deadliest vaccine ever made”—stated during a press conference his belief that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine was dangerous and can cause “injuries” including myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that can lead to health issues ranging from fatigue to cardiac arrest.
At the same time the scientifically unqualified Kennedy scion wrongly claimed there is no evidence football leads to brain damage.(say what!!!!!)
If this claim that Covid vaccines will be pulled from the market is accurate, one more example of the dangers of allowing anti-science nonsense to replace medical expertise in the United States. It really is all about making America stupid again, RFK Jr. a leader in that front, and creating a universally recognized new image for America, one transformed from a symbol of human freedom, to and image of cruelty to undocumented human beings. That effort being led by Stephen Miller. So, under Trump, we present as both stupid and cruel.
The Trump administration will move to pull the COVID vaccine off the U.S. market “within months,” one of Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s closest associates has told the Daily Beast.
Dr. Aseem Malhotra, a British cardiologist who has repeatedly claimed in the face of scientific consensus that the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus, told the Daily Beast that Kennedy’s stance is shared by “influential” members of President Donald Trump’s family. Like Kennedy himself, no Trumps hold any scientific qualifications.
Malhotra is a leading adviser to the controversial lobby group Make America Healthy Again (MAHA) Action, which is seen as an external arm of Kennedy’s agenda as Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary.
He told the Beast that many of those closest to RFK Jr. have told him they “cannot understand” why the vaccine continues to be prescribed, and that a decision to remove the vaccine from the U.S. market pending further research will come “within months,” even if it is likely to cause “fear of chaos” and bring with it major legal ramifications.
“It could [happen] in a number of stages, including learning more about the data,” said Malhotra, who said there was an ongoing review into so-called “vaccine injuries” by the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP). “But given the increased talk of vaccine injuries in the past few weeks among the administration, it could also come with one clean decision.”
Malhotra said skepticism among Kennedy’s circle of the COVID-19 jab is driven by a 2022 paperby a group of physicians and university professors and researchers, which appeared in the journal Vaccine.
The peer-reviewed paper examined secondary analysis of “serious adverse events reported in… clinical trials of Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines in adults,” and said that those given the mRNA vaccines had a 16 percent higher risk of “excess serious adverse events” than those in the placebo group.
However, the study has been dismissed by large parts of the medical community, who say it underestimates the benefits of COVID-19 vaccines and overstates risks due to methodological flaws, biased data selection, and ignoring broader public health impacts.
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The prediction of a drastic move against the COVID vaccine comes after Kennedy canceled $500 million in funding for the development of mRNA vaccines. Such vaccines use a copy of a molecule called messenger RNA (mRNA) to provoke an immune response against certain diseases. They have received much attention since the COVID-19 pandemic, where they served as the basis of the most widely used SARS-CoV-2 vaccines.
Days after canceling the funding, the HHS secretary—criticized for describing the COVID shot as “the deadliest vaccine ever made”—stated during a press conference his belief that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine was dangerous and can cause “injuries” including myocarditis, an inflammation of the heart that can lead to health issues ranging from fatigue to cardiac arrest.
At the same time the scientifically unqualified Kennedy scion wrongly claimed there is no evidence football leads to brain damage.(say what!!!!!)
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PJF
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Red
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What a joke. But not funny. Trump and RFK Jr: destroying medical science in America.
Using a system that collects data on adverse vaccine effects. Including one report that the vaccine turned a guy into the Incredible Hulk. Such rigorous standards! BTW, when RFK Jr. was a 14 year heroin addict, he enjoyed inviting family members, mostly cousins, to his basement drug parties, where he enjoyed putting baby mice and rabbits in a blender, to feed to his raptor pets. He got a kick out of doing such a sicko thing to living creatures. And now he’s in charge of America’s health.
Only the best people!
www.theguardian.com
US health officials are reportedly planning to release data on child deaths and serious side effects they would attribute to Covid-19 vaccines, raising alarm among public health experts who say the publicly available data does not support these claims and the report may lead to increased anti-vaccine sentiment.
Independent advisers for the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) later this week plan to revisit recommendations for Covid shots as well as vaccines for measles and hepatitis B.
The move is part of a larger effort to cast doubt on vaccines and reduce access to them, said David Gorski, a professor of surgery and oncology at Wayne State University who has tracked anti-vaccine activism for decades.
Robert F Kennedy Jr, the secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), is a longtime anti-vaxxer who continues to make sweeping, controversial changes to the US vaccine program, Gorski said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/15/cdc-leadership-loss-experts-alarmed
“RFK Jr wants to take away your vaccines,” he said.
Officials are looking at 25 reports of pediatric deaths following Covid vaccination, apparently stemming from the crowdsourced database known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), according to reporting by the Washington Post.
Yet years of data and research show that Covid vaccinations are safe and effective.
“Covid vaccination involved much larger numbers of people receiving vaccines than we’ve had for anything in history,” said Anne Schuchat, a former principal deputy director of the CDC.
Using VAERS to cast doubt on the safety of vaccines is a decades-long anti-vax tactic, and research has shown a spike in reports related to litigation, Gorski said.
While the system can help discover red flags, Schuchat noted it can’t be used to demonstrate causality.
“Anybody can report into it,” she said – including patients, family members, lawyers, friends and people on social media. One doctor successfully submitted a report on his transformation into the Incredible Hulk.
www.theguardian.com
Using a system that collects data on adverse vaccine effects. Including one report that the vaccine turned a guy into the Incredible Hulk. Such rigorous standards! BTW, when RFK Jr. was a 14 year heroin addict, he enjoyed inviting family members, mostly cousins, to his basement drug parties, where he enjoyed putting baby mice and rabbits in a blender, to feed to his raptor pets. He got a kick out of doing such a sicko thing to living creatures. And now he’s in charge of America’s health.
Only the best people!
US health officials to revisit vaccine policies using anti-vax tactics, experts warn
Data public health experts say is worrisome will reportedly be presented to ACIP later this week before vote on shots
www.theguardian.com
US health officials are reportedly planning to release data on child deaths and serious side effects they would attribute to Covid-19 vaccines, raising alarm among public health experts who say the publicly available data does not support these claims and the report may lead to increased anti-vaccine sentiment.
Independent advisers for the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) later this week plan to revisit recommendations for Covid shots as well as vaccines for measles and hepatitis B.
The move is part of a larger effort to cast doubt on vaccines and reduce access to them, said David Gorski, a professor of surgery and oncology at Wayne State University who has tracked anti-vaccine activism for decades.
Robert F Kennedy Jr, the secretary of the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), is a longtime anti-vaxxer who continues to make sweeping, controversial changes to the US vaccine program, Gorski said.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/15/cdc-leadership-loss-experts-alarmed
“RFK Jr wants to take away your vaccines,” he said.
Officials are looking at 25 reports of pediatric deaths following Covid vaccination, apparently stemming from the crowdsourced database known as the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), according to reporting by the Washington Post.
Yet years of data and research show that Covid vaccinations are safe and effective.
“Covid vaccination involved much larger numbers of people receiving vaccines than we’ve had for anything in history,” said Anne Schuchat, a former principal deputy director of the CDC.
Using VAERS to cast doubt on the safety of vaccines is a decades-long anti-vax tactic, and research has shown a spike in reports related to litigation, Gorski said.
While the system can help discover red flags, Schuchat noted it can’t be used to demonstrate causality.
“Anybody can report into it,” she said – including patients, family members, lawyers, friends and people on social media. One doctor successfully submitted a report on his transformation into the Incredible Hulk.
‘Americans should be alarmed’: Experts say loss of expertise at CDC will harm US health
Top officials exited agency under RFK Jr’s leadership, and his anti-vax beliefs have dismayed medical community
www.theguardian.com
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Red
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Interesting new development in understanding the potential of mRNA vaccines. Hope RFK Jr. doesn’t find out, he wants all such research eliminated. Kennedy’s is not going to like this one bit. He will no doubt attempt to end such research. The Trump administration has made it clear that it is against cancer research. Because: AHA! MAHA!
www.newscientist.com
The mRNA covid-19 vaccines seem to have an unexpected benefit: extending the lives of people being treated for cancers by boosting the effectiveness of immunotherapy.
An analysis of the records of nearly 1000 people being treated for advanced skin and lung cancers shows those who were given an mRNA covid-19 vaccine within 100 days of starting drugs called immune checkpoint inhibitors lived nearly twice as long as people who did not get vaccinated within this time. The findings will now be confirmed in a clinical trial that is due to start before the end of the year.
The innovative messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines that thwarted the ravages of COVID-19 may also help fight tumors in cancer patients, according to a new analysis of medical records and studies in mice.
People with cancer who coincidentally received the mRNA shots before starting drugs designed to unleash the immune system against tumors lived significantly longer than those who didn’t get vaccinated, a research team announced yesterday at the European Society for Medical Oncology Congress in Berlin. Laboratory experiments by the group suggest the vaccines rev up the immune system, making even stubborn tumors more susceptible to treatment.
The findings underscore the still-untapped potential of mRNA technology at a time when President Donald Trump’s administration has backed away from funding the area. “I think this data is extraordinary,” says Ryan Sullivan, an oncologist and immunologist at Massachusetts General Hospital who wasn’t involved in the new research. Although the analysis of cancer patient data was retrospective, he notes that the observed association between COVID-19 vaccination and improved survival “is very strong.”
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Trump and RFK Jr. Putting ignorance ahead of knowledge. This is MAHA: defund cancer research and kill Americans. Strange way to make America healthy again! To say the least.
democrats-appropriations.house.gov
www.wired.com
This is an integral part of MAHA, which is RFK Jr.’s effort to bring American medical science back to the Middle Ages.
MAHA will kill more Americans than it will save.
And this too is MAHA. MAHA is an acronym without meaning. The last thing MAHA will ever do is “make America healthy again”. It’s designed to make Americans more sick.
www.latimes.com
The outbreak soon became the worst the United States has endured in more than three decades.
In the month after Donald Trump took office, his administration interfered with CDC communications, stalled the federal agency’s reports, censored its data and abruptly laid off staff. In the chaos, agency experts felt restrained from talking openly with local public health workers, according to interviews with seven CDC officials with direct knowledge of events, as well as local health department emails obtained by KFF Health News through public records requests.
“CDC hasn’t reached out to us locally,” Katherine Wells, the public health director in Lubbock, Texas, wrote in a Feb. 5 email exchange with a colleague two weeks after children with measles were hospitalized in Lubbock. “My staff feels like we are out here all alone,” she added.
A child would die before CDC scientists contacted Wells.
“All of us at CDC train for this moment, a massive outbreak,” one CDC researcher told KFF Health News, which agreed not to name CDC officials who fear retaliation for speaking with the press. “All this training and then we weren’t allowed to do anything.”
mRNA covid vaccines spark immune response that may aid cancer survival
An analysis of patient records suggests that mRNA covid-19 vaccines boost the immune response to cancerous tumours when given soon after people start a type of immunotherapy, extending their lives
www.newscientist.com
The mRNA covid-19 vaccines seem to have an unexpected benefit: extending the lives of people being treated for cancers by boosting the effectiveness of immunotherapy.
An analysis of the records of nearly 1000 people being treated for advanced skin and lung cancers shows those who were given an mRNA covid-19 vaccine within 100 days of starting drugs called immune checkpoint inhibitors lived nearly twice as long as people who did not get vaccinated within this time. The findings will now be confirmed in a clinical trial that is due to start before the end of the year.
https://www.science.org/content/article/surprise-bonus-covid-19-vaccines-bolstering-cancer-treatment
The innovative messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccines that thwarted the ravages of COVID-19 may also help fight tumors in cancer patients, according to a new analysis of medical records and studies in mice.
People with cancer who coincidentally received the mRNA shots before starting drugs designed to unleash the immune system against tumors lived significantly longer than those who didn’t get vaccinated, a research team announced yesterday at the European Society for Medical Oncology Congress in Berlin. Laboratory experiments by the group suggest the vaccines rev up the immune system, making even stubborn tumors more susceptible to treatment.
The findings underscore the still-untapped potential of mRNA technology at a time when President Donald Trump’s administration has backed away from funding the area. “I think this data is extraordinary,” says Ryan Sullivan, an oncologist and immunologist at Massachusetts General Hospital who wasn’t involved in the new research. Although the analysis of cancer patient data was retrospective, he notes that the observed association between COVID-19 vaccination and improved survival “is very strong.”
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Trump and RFK Jr. Putting ignorance ahead of knowledge. This is MAHA: defund cancer research and kill Americans. Strange way to make America healthy again! To say the least.
Trump Team Dismantles Efforts to Find a Cure for Cancer and Other Deadly Disorders and Diseases
President Trump’s Administration is imposing a new policy to cap indirect costs for National Institutes of Health (NIH) research grants at 15 percent, which would cut billions of dollars in funding for life-saving research to develop cures and treatments for diseases. Under the leadership of...
democrats-appropriations.house.gov
How Trump Killed Cancer Research
Attempting to eliminate funding for certain kinds of “woke” studies, the Trump administration erased hundreds of millions of dollars being used for cancer research.
This is an integral part of MAHA, which is RFK Jr.’s effort to bring American medical science back to the Middle Ages.
MAHA will kill more Americans than it will save.
And this too is MAHA. MAHA is an acronym without meaning. The last thing MAHA will ever do is “make America healthy again”. It’s designed to make Americans more sick.
As measles cases soared, Texas sought help from Trump's CDC. No one answered
The Trump administration’s actions sowed fear and confusion among CDC scientists that kept them from performing the agency’s key function: emergency response.
www.latimes.com
- A measles outbreak in Texas this year became the worst the United States has endured in more than three decades.
- Under pressure, the CDC did not proactively reach out to local health authorities. “My staff feels like we are out here all alone,” said one local health director.
The outbreak soon became the worst the United States has endured in more than three decades.
In the month after Donald Trump took office, his administration interfered with CDC communications, stalled the federal agency’s reports, censored its data and abruptly laid off staff. In the chaos, agency experts felt restrained from talking openly with local public health workers, according to interviews with seven CDC officials with direct knowledge of events, as well as local health department emails obtained by KFF Health News through public records requests.
“CDC hasn’t reached out to us locally,” Katherine Wells, the public health director in Lubbock, Texas, wrote in a Feb. 5 email exchange with a colleague two weeks after children with measles were hospitalized in Lubbock. “My staff feels like we are out here all alone,” she added.
A child would die before CDC scientists contacted Wells.
“All of us at CDC train for this moment, a massive outbreak,” one CDC researcher told KFF Health News, which agreed not to name CDC officials who fear retaliation for speaking with the press. “All this training and then we weren’t allowed to do anything.”
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