No it doesnt.
Bulls to talk to Justin Zanik about front office position
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Not all front office positions are the same just because they have the same title. He may want to have different duties, he might have a bigger money offer in Chicago, or he might want to live in a different city.
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I do not fault him for looking at an opportunity to advance his career, I will never fault anyone that. If I had a direct shot at a Sr. VP job I would be all over it. It's just that timing is everything and with all the uncertainty on he team right now, it looks like people are starting to jump ship starting with the captain of the ship. Doesn't do great things for stability.
Ok, but that last part makes 0 sense if you're interviewing for the Bulls, a team who has been pretty bad. So he is "jumping ship" from a 50+ win playoff team to a team who can barely win 30 games?
And what uncertainty is on this team exactly? The only big question mark for next season is if they can get a Jordan Clarkson deal done. Mitchell and Gobert not being BFFs isnt any source of uncertainty.
A lot of teams are cutting payroll in FO's right now (either through layoffs or asking employees to take pay-cuts). I'm sure the Jazz are as well. That could potentially have something to do with it.
You have a hard time understanding how other people might feel about things, I have noticed this before, maybe you lack empathy.
See, for the players it is easy to imagine they are uneasy about the current situation, there is an obvious and documented rift between the 2 star players, the level of play has dropped significantly in the past 6 weeks of game play, and we have an aging quasi-star who has been yanked around, most notably by "bench-gate", who also early on made it clear he did NOT want to play in Utah. In this climate, regardless of your wins, you think "damn, what is going on here", and that doubt starts to creep in.
It is pretty obvious that doubt has had a hold on the team as a whole for a while now, hence the fact that we have so much hero ball, no one seems to trust each other, and that has been a big part of our recent drop in play. So now, with everyone cooped up and nothing to do but ruminate, and the rift among the 2 stars not getting better, you see that one of the top leaders of the team has decided to look elsewhere.
It is very easy to imagine people in their sphere, cut off from the camaraderie of the team, relegated to the imperfect communication medium of social media, would see that as the ship starting to go down. They don't give a flying **** for stats at that point, it is an emotional thing. They do not sit back with a professor's cap on and go "I see that for Zanik this is a great opportunity and it has nothing to do with our team problems that have been a bane on us at the end of this season...**beep beep** *does compute* **beep beep**". People are emotional, and I have seen plenty of similar situations in the business world, and worked myself to quell the panic that sets in among the team, so to speak.
So yes, it is a very reasonable position to take. And a reason for some level of concern how this will be perceived among the team in general, and what the fall-out might be.
gomretat
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Your first point is spot on - no one should be faulted for looking for ways to advance career and pay. Those opportunities come and go and you have to grab them when they come. Connecting this with jumping the ship is simply making things up.
Just shows you can't put yourself in other people's shoes.
Holy ****, if you think anything happening in Utah is unique then you're very naive. Zanick is a grown *** man who has to manage millionaires with egos. It's part of the job description. Maybe being a VP in Chicago is less hands on, ground level player management, but I stated wanting different duties as a reason he might leave.
And how is Chicago more stable again? A ****ing rookie scale lotto player asked for a trade from Chicago lmao.
*And the irony of someone who didnt vote for Bernie telling someone who did that they lack empathy for others is hilarious*
Why does the stability of Chicago matter to the players that are here, working through a rough patch, and their perception of their GM leaving? Can you even grasp that people in the middle of it will have a far different perception than a pundit?
And why does the perceived uniqueness of the scenario matter? This coronavirus is not unique, it has happened before. Even if you have to go all the way back to the spanish flu. Didn't stop masses from panic-buying all the TP in the world.
Again, you show a total lack of the ability to empathize, or picture what it might be like from a perspective differnet from you own. You fall back on your standard approach, ridicule alternative viewpoints instead of attempting to understand them.
lmao
Did I do it right?
No, you're just spouting BS. No one's viewpoints have been ridiculed. If me disagreeing with what you said is taken as "ridicule" then maybe stop being a baby.
I'm sorry, but this team has little to no uncertainty. Just because they didnt meet your homeristic expectations doesnt mean they have an uncertain future. Their best 3 players are all under contract next year, along with like 75% of their main rotation and big money players with the exception of Clarkson. Rudy and Donovan not liking each other is nearly a non-issue given the level of competency, stability and structure Utah has in it's organization. That whole narrative is just blown up by Jazz fans who want to cry because Utah didnt look like a Championship team this year and they are mad because they got their hopes up.
The facts are that the job is a top level executive job in Chicago and that's probably why he wants to leave. I highly doubt it has anything to do with any perceived "drama" or uncertainty in Utah.
The other guy interviewing for the same job is the Denver GM.
Is the Denver GM not the real GM so he wants to leave?
Is there drama or uncertainty in Denver that is causing him to want to leave?
No, it's probably just because NBA FO personnel hold that position in high regard. (Do I agree with this? No, but it is likely the case if two GM's from highly successful franchises are interested in it, as Woj has stated).
Is the Denver GM not the real GM so he wants to leave?
Is there drama or uncertainty in Denver that is causing him to want to leave?
No, it's probably just because NBA FO personnel hold that position in high regard. (Do I agree with this? No, but it is likely the case if two GM's from highly successful franchises are interested in it, as Woj has stated).
It's smart to at least listen to other opportunities out there when presented to you. It doesn't mean you have to take them, or that you want to leave. It means you are doing your due diligence to make sure you are open and to make sure you know the lay of the land. Listening can at times solidify that you are 100% happy where you are. Yes it can also mean you want/need out. Without more data points we don't/won't know which one it is.
Let's all relax and give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He got rid of Exum... what more do we need to know about him?
Let's all relax and give the guy the benefit of the doubt. He got rid of Exum... what more do we need to know about him?
I wonder if the LHM Group layoffs are a factor here. I assume they would be. If LHM is leveraged to sell cars and the auto industry is going to be down like 80% there could be a problem there. The Jazz losing another 10 or so home games and the playoffs definitely hurts their revenue.
In any case, the position that Zanik is interviewing for looks like a clear promotion, more or less answering directly to ownership.
In any case, the position that Zanik is interviewing for looks like a clear promotion, more or less answering directly to ownership.
NAOS
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If signs point to a widening rift within the org’s two most important players, then that’s a massive sign of uncertainty, dude.
Tony Jones just mentioned on ESPN 700 Zanick did not pursue this at all, the Bulls pursued and pushed for it.
//r00t 4 Jazz
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Posting this here cause I'm lazy and don't want to start a thread or check if one is buried that already mentions it. I also refuse (though do read) that Locker Room Rift Thread.
Here is a link to the Minivan podcast with Donovan Mitchell, it's been good liked last week with Clarkson as well.
https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/donov...egame-superstitions-georges-niangs-drive-dish
Here is a link to the Minivan podcast with Donovan Mitchell, it's been good liked last week with Clarkson as well.
https://www.nba.com/jazz/news/donov...egame-superstitions-georges-niangs-drive-dish
So does he speak on the Gobert thing or nah?
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I do love that we are all guessing on his motivations and some are so convinced that it can’t be one thing or another and if you believe it your a stupid ****ing moron... maybe DL has terrible breath... maybe it’s unbearable and that is why he’s looking around. It could also just be leverage for a raise or extension... it could be any of those reasons or maybe he’s just kicking the tires cuz why the hell not.
I remember a recruiter calling me 10 years ago and going on and in about this position and the deep pockets this group had and how I could name my price... it was in SoCal so I kinda needed to double my salary at the time to make it feasible... I asked for triple... they considered but baulked... I didn’t really like them or want to work there but if they were willing to go there maybe I’d have done it.
I remember a recruiter calling me 10 years ago and going on and in about this position and the deep pockets this group had and how I could name my price... it was in SoCal so I kinda needed to double my salary at the time to make it feasible... I asked for triple... they considered but baulked... I didn’t really like them or want to work there but if they were willing to go there maybe I’d have done it.