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Karl Malone 34 points-21 rebounds vs Bulls 92

The Thriller said:
Or had we had Memo (before his injury) instead of Felton Specer, Tag, Police, Todd Fuller, and Jerry's shower buddy? Stockton, Hornacek, Money Memo, and Malone would have led the Jazz to at least 3-4 titles.
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on the other hand, as we had the most talented roster ever as Sloan said 2 years ago, we sucked. I think it is not all about individual players, it is about chemistry, i didnt watch utah back then but i guess they had a good chemistry which we appearantly dont have for the last few years, we are too much fluctuatious. I hope this young core will make things happen. So we gotta get rid of players who can ruin the chemistry (like Harris and Jefferson imo)

Many people will argue but Jefferson will be frustrated and give the team negative energy once his mins will go down. It is better to give him away and get something back while he has a good value instead of leaving when his contract is over. It would be much better for the team to get younger this year and not make playoffs instead of being eliminated in the first round. We can get another top 10 pick in this years draft and will add better pieces to our already very strong young core
 
its kind of funny,i was planing to come and see Utah-Chicago game this year(if the lockout ends),and it will be my first live-nba game.i hope i will witness something special as well.
 
sepanol said:
really ? i thought he is taller, then Enes isnt that short as many people is concerned
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Enes' size is just fine. He is actually a massive PF and a decent-sized center. Adequately-sized athletes are a dime-a-dozen; after sheer size, it's a combination of skill, athleticism, drive, and basketball IQ that make them great.
 
JJAS said:
I grew up watching Malone, and one thing that was always apparent to me was that he was never an elite athlete as far as his jumping was concerned. Malone almost never did ally-oops, very rarely dunked with two hands, and after about five years in the league would lay the ball up rather than dunking it time and time again. There were always dozens of high-flying acrobats that were far superior to Malone in their athleticism. Kemp would have destroyed Malone if it was based on pure athleticism. Blake Griffin is absolutely so far away from Malone that is isn't even worthwhile to entertain that comparison, Griffin is far superior. Malone would never, never, ever in a million years have won a dunk-contest--ever! Malone was pure power with a decent jump. He nearly always dunked with one hand and used his massive hands on every possession. Malone's athleticism was never his calling card. Malone's calling card was power, toughness, savvy, and an unstoppable jump-shot. Enes has tremendous power, toughness, and good fundamentals. Enes, like Malone, is not that big of a shot-blocker. I could go on and on with this. Enes does not equal Malone. But he has many similar attributes to Malone in his athleticism and some aspects of his game. Enes is light years away from Malone in lots of things, but not in athleticism, overall bulk, toughness, and desire to have contact. By the way, I think all comparisons of players are almost always wrong and simplistic. Enes, like all rookies, has done nothing upon his entrance into the NBA; it's what they do when they get there that matters.
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Jumping isn't the only measure for athleticism.

Malone might not have been an elite jumper, but he was an elite athlete nonetheless. His quickness and speed were insane.
 
The Thriller said:
Jumping isn't the only measure for athleticism.

Malone might not have been an elite jumper, but he was an elite athlete nonetheless. His quickness and speed were insane.
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I agree that Malone had quick hands, but his speed and quickness were not elite in my opinion. Think about LB James. Malone was 1" taller than him, and weighed about the same. Now that is elite athleticism (jumping, speed, quickness, body control). I often thought that Malone looked a bit uncomfortable/awkward with his drives to the basket; I would never characterize them as graceful. Malone had a good mix of athleticism and huge hands. His skill and savvy were through the roof. His drive, toughness, aggression, hustle, fitness, strength, and power were beyond elite IMHO.
 
vslice02 said:
Now this is the kind of stuff we need to get us through the lockout.
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I dont think Kanter will ever be a better post player than Al Jefferson. A rebounder?? From what we saw last season, most likely yes. However, people forget Al's stats pre-ACL surgery. If he can hit the 20/11 days of old, after being another year removed from ACL reconstruction, then perhaps Kanter will become slightly redundant, in terms of offense and rebounding. Defense? As long as Al can hold his own while Favors continues to beast, then again Kanters only edge becomes his outside game. I definitely see Kanter and Al competing for minutes over the next two years, if there is not trade. I dont think we should trade Al yet though
 
dalamon said:
I dont think Kanter will ever be a better post player than Al Jefferson. A rebounder?? From what we saw last season, most likely yes. However, people forget Al's stats pre-ACL surgery. If he can hit the 20/11 days of old, after being another year removed from ACL reconstruction, then perhaps Kanter will become slightly redundant, in terms of offense and rebounding. Defense? As long as Al can hold his own while Favors continues to beast, then again Kanters only edge becomes his outside game. I definitely see Kanter and Al competing for minutes over the next two years, if there is not trade. I dont think we should trade Al yet though
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I can't think of a more skilled offensive post player in the NBA than Al. If he had Dwight's athleticism (his isn't pathetic), he would absolutely dominate (he can sometimes as it is).
 
dalamon said:
I dont think Kanter will ever be a better post player than Al Jefferson.
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I concur. Big Al is in his own league when it comes to post play.... hardly can think of anyone better at this point in NBA - maybe Gasol?
 
dalamon said:
I dont think Kanter will ever be a better post player than Al Jefferson. A rebounder?? From what we saw last season, most likely yes. However, people forget Al's stats pre-ACL surgery. If he can hit the 20/11 days of old, after being another year removed from ACL reconstruction, then perhaps Kanter will become slightly redundant, in terms of offense and rebounding. Defense? As long as Al can hold his own while Favors continues to beast, then again Kanters only edge becomes his outside game. I definitely see Kanter and Al competing for minutes over the next two years, if there is not trade. I dont think we should trade Al yet though
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his stats in minnesota you mean? well if they play every posssesion through him, of course he can make some numbers, boozer was a 20/10 guy too remember, but there are things which doesnt appear in stats like basketball iq. And Big Al doesnt have it except his post plays. He just has one weapon, he doesnt have a consistent shoot or looks to pass unless he is forced to. I would definitely trade Big Al if they offer some decent assets in return
 
sepanol said:
his stats in minnesota you mean? well if they play every posssesion through him, of course he can make some numbers, boozer was a 20/10 guy too remember, but there are things which doesnt appear in stats like basketball iq. And Big Al doesnt have it except his post plays. He just has one weapon, he doesnt have a consistent shoot or looks to pass unless he is forced to. I would definitely trade Big Al if they offer some decent assets in return
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I have yet to see Kanter display any kind of above average Basketball IQ. He has good instincts, but his IQ appears to be mostly average.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I have yet to see Kanter display any kind of above average Basketball IQ. He has good instincts, but his IQ appears to be mostly average.
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i didnt mean very good, but Big Al's is too low, i dont know how the hell he has such a low iq with such a great talent.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
1. He came to the NBA from HS
2. He played on The Timberwolves the last 4 years.
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Kobe came from HS too, i dont think its an indicator. I dont see it as an attribute to be improved by Big Al. I like his post game, but my opinion is that he will never be the go to guy in a contender.
 
JJAS said:
I can't think of a more skilled offensive post player in the NBA than Al.
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Really? For his career, Al has barely shot over 50%, doesn't get to the line, and despite high usage has only averaged 1.3 assists per game. Timmy and Pau come to mind instantly, but there are plenty of other players who've been much more effective in post-up situations than Big Al (if you consider passing and drawing fouls skills). I've collected some data (a few weeks ago) from MySynergySports, and may post some stats if I ever decide to crunch the numbers. Hopefully this myth can be dispelled.
 
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Cyrone Torbin said:
1. He came to the NBA from HS
2. He played on The Timberwolves the last 4 years.
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He's 26, has been in the league for 7 seasons, and has received hands-on coaching from Kevin McHale (one of the savviest post players ever). I hope Al comes back better than ever, but if he doesn't, he should be the first Jazz big cut loose.
 
GVC said:
He's 26, has been in the league for 7 seasons, and has received hands-on coaching from Kevin McHale (one of the savviest post players ever). I hope Al comes back better than ever, but if he doesn't, he should be the first Jazz big cut loose.
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Just because McHale was a good player doesn't mean he is a good coach.
 
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