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Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

If we, as a society, are asking police officers to respond to potentially dangerous situations, where someone may have a gun, I don't think we can ask them to do that without being equipped with a firearm. Just my opinion.
One of the scariest nights I've ever had was when I had to help step into a domestic dispute between my elderly female neighbor and her druggy son. It was really loud and there was violent threats... called the police and walked over... I was unarmed and terrified. Felt like I needed to get there before police could. Luckily he chilled out and just left.

Probably the type of **** they deal with on the daily... they need to protect themselves too... can't turn them into mall cops and ask them to solve these types of issues.
 
One of the scariest nights I've ever had was when I had to help step into a domestic dispute between my elderly female neighbor and her druggy son. It was really loud and there was violent threats... called the police and walked over... I was unarmed and terrified. Felt like I needed to get there before police could. Luckily he chilled out and just left.

Probably the type of **** they deal with on the daily... they need to protect themselves too... can't turn them into mall cops and ask them to solve these types of issues.
So, you managed to defuse the situation without pulling a gun?
 
It's astonishing how many people we incarcerate in this country.

Incarcerated citizens as of 2020:

United States - 2,193,798
China - 1,548,498
India - 332,112
Germany - 77,166

Food for thought. China and Indian have a combined population of about 2.8 billion. We have more incarcerated people than those two countries, combined. So the United States, which is roughly 12% the size of those two countries combined, has more people in prison.

Germany has roughly 25% of the population the US does, yet it only has 77K people incarcerated? France has similar figures.

I'm having a hard time coming to terms with these numbers.
India is a bad comparison as crime and corruption are rampant.
 
If we, as a society, are asking police officers to respond to potentially dangerous situations, where someone may have a gun, I don't think we can ask them to do that without being equipped with a firearm. Just my opinion.

We have some middle ground to find here, I don't think we can go as far as a lot of other nations due to our general gun/violent culture, but there's at least some places to start.

I'm not sure when y'all came through our schools, but I remember the pat downs from strapped officers coming to school. All they ever found was some kids weed, why were these officers armed?
 
Exactly. Trump and his sock puppets are naturally shouting that evil Democrats want to have no law enforcement of any kind, but that's a huge red herring. The point of defunding and disbanding is to create something new that accomplishes what the current system has failed to do. I don't think anyone can possibly argue that the current policing system has been successful.

There is no need to have all police officers carry guns and especially no need to have armed officers respond to every call. How ridiculous is it that school resource officers carry guns and bulletproof vests? And before anyone brings up school shootings, I'd like to point out how exceedingly rare they are but also what happened last time we had a major school shooting in Florida.

For entirely too long, policing has looked like pacification. Police officers have looked and behaved like an occupying army. Especially in minority areas and neighbourhoods. Probably the most infuriating way in which this manifests itself is the demand for absolute compliance and the lengths the police will go to get it. How often do you have ridiculous chases and police officers discharging weapons because a suspect was "going to get away?" In situations where said suspect might have been unarmed, was not posing an immediate danger to the public, or was not even the person they were looking for? That's okay. If they run, you can shoot. If they try to pass what might have been a fake 20, you can kneel on their neck until they die.

I don't know if these attitudes can be fixed with more training and oversight. I think it needs to be blown up and replaced by something new.

Who are those egghead intellectual dollies of the so-called Commie Left?? Cloward-Piven strategy. Burn the world down so we can build it right.

It's pretty clear there's major funding going into these riots.

Riots have been waiting for a pretext, I think, for a long time.

The on-going deliberate build-up of this has made me go back and look again at the videos of the initial originating event, which almost everyone deplored instantly.

So I was in my old home town in Nevada once, on business, and a local competitor called on his police buddies to run me outta town. I was in the Hilton, and went out into the parking lot to take care of some things. Somebody drove up in a truck and asked me if I was selling my stuff. I said "Not Here". He asked my price, I said "$5000--but in California". He hit the gas and drove off, and five police cruisers raced in to surround me. Jacked my arm and threw me on the asphalt, and told me to stay outta their town. I didn't even get mad. I stayed polite, did what they asked. Some of the other officers got cautious and startede advising they back off. I have never been back. But these officers got a con to try to bait me, gave him counts off his charges or something, and used force without provocation, and did a completely illegal stop and harassment.

I'm not really inclined to idolize police officers who have been to some extent corrupted or trained to use impudent or arrogant tactics, or indoctrinated versus the public so they are mentally destabilized against violating human rights for their career. I just know I need to take care not to trigger them, alright.

But in looking at the video, I'm pretty sure the victim was on meth, with fentanyl to boot. He forced the officers to lay hands on him, and they were not able to cuff him. That is why the idiot cop put his knee on the neck. I think they did get the cuffs on, and the prick sat there to gloat way too long. But it was the fentanyl that killed him, and the officers failed to administer the indicated antidote.

What we have going on here is the deliberate take-down of our police with the intent to replace it with political provocateurs of the highest order. We will see a chant go out for "Strong Cities" with less human rights respected, not more.

This is a beginning of policed insurrection, not an end to a stupid riot.
 
I don't think 'defunding the police' is the right move and I don't like the terminology either - it just leads to people saying lawlessness like Tucker Carlson which isn't an option. We're not going full The Purge here.

Instead, police should respond to things that need their assistance. We ask our officers to wear too many hats - trying to put together witness reports for a mild car accident, going to a school to talk about DARE, responding to a dispute when a guy locks his girlfriend outside of the house, etc. It's simply a drain on resources and officers.

Instead, send the right person to the job. Police should involve themselves when the risk of escalation is high. Let others handle fender benders and help a motorist unlock their car. Give officers primary, secondary and tertiary skills when there's an overflow of assistance needed. Give consistent counseling, psychological profiles, etc. This isn't unreasonable.
 
There is no need to have all police officers carry guns and especially no need to have armed officers respond to every call. How ridiculous is it that school resource officers carry guns and bulletproof vests? And before anyone brings up school shootings, I'd like to point out how exceedingly rare they are but also what happened last time we had a major school shooting in Florida.

Wait, is this real life? You can't be serious.

The fact of the matter is it's completely unpredictable when officers will need guns and when they do, they need them. That's just a fact.

The problems with officers is they use them all too often when they don't need to. The majority of officers never fire their weapon - 73%. There needs to be better training and require more education to become a police officer. That and there needs to be accountability. Officers need to have body cams on 100% of the time, if not, it compromises the innocent e.g. Amaurie Johnson.


I hate guns as much as the next guy, but until the public doesn't have them, cops need them.
 
I know a lot of folks in here sorta buy the Cloward-Piven Strategy as it relates directly to using the problem of poverty, and welfare in a manner that just leads to overwhelming or catastrophic demands on the system so that it fails, and leads to a replacement program, guaranteed annual income, complete redistribution of income, and such. The strategy comes from early Marxist thinking of how to do a revolution, of how the old has to be destroyed to make way for the new.

What we see in the Democratic Party today, and in the mainstream Media, a very strong swing into Marxist principles. Now is the hour to strike, some think, for the Revolution. Little care about the stresses to be applied to achieve the collapse of the old way. That's what Open Borders is all about, what almost every excess of governance is all about. Gotta break it to make it.

I have said this before, but the little foot-soldiers of the Revolution who have brought about such change, are the first to the hoosgaw, the first to the prisons, under the new..... Fascist.... powers that be, who have lied to you and won your idealistic support just long enough.

The objective is not to build a better world, just to make what's left of this world..... theirs.

The New Order is not designed to permit continued human rights, continued citizen modes of inputs. It's actually all top-down, with no counterweight permitted. Look at the documents that underpin communist governments, or socialist governments. They are models of efficiency..... for management, with no real design to transfer power peacefully or under any constitutional process.

When the big money is deployed, it's expected to return a big profit.... to the top, not to you.
 
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I don't think 'defunding the police' is the right move and I don't like the terminology either - it just leads to people saying lawlessness like Tucker Carlson which isn't an option. We're not going full The Purge here.

Instead, police should respond to things that need their assistance. We ask our officers to wear too many hats - trying to put together witness reports for a mild car accident, going to a school to talk about DARE, responding to a dispute when a guy locks his girlfriend outside of the house, etc. It's simply a drain on resources and officers.

Instead, send the right person to the job. Police should involve themselves when the risk of escalation is high. Let others handle fender benders and help a motorist unlock their car. Give officers primary, secondary and tertiary skills when there's an overflow of assistance needed. Give consistent counseling, psychological profiles, etc. This isn't unreasonable.

Good thoughts here. Police wear far too many hats. When I lived in Alaska, I would regularly see police officers overseeing the removal of large animal carcasses from the road. They would also respond every single time a poor driver slid off the road and into the ditch.
 
We do have an cartel prison system, where private ownership of prisons and lush paybacks to politicians are a scandal. None less than Hillary, and Biden, worked so hard to establish our Prison Planet system, and profited from it. It does systematically suck in a disproportionate number of blacks and minorities. We have politicians who have bragged about "Stop and Frisk" policies used mainly against minorities "in the hood". What it amounts to is the same politicians who support the cartel prison planet system are the first to incite riot or stand down enforcement as a tactic for destroying what system we had, and it's a cinch the "new" program they bring in will allow even more corruption, and even more exploitation of the poor of every color.
 
Some interesting data points from the following study (2016):

https://www.cato.org/survey-reports/policing-america

Police Tactics: African Americans (73%) are far more likely than whites (35%) and Hispanics (54%) to say that police are too quick to use lethal force.

Courteousness: White Americans (62%) are 19 points more likely than African Americans (43%) and 13 points more likely than Hispanics (49%) to rate their local police departments highly for being courteous.

Competency: Four in 10 African Americans and 5 in 10 Hispanics give their local police high ratings for enforcing the law, protecting them from crime, and responding quickly to a call for help, compared to 6 in 10 white Americans.

African Americans are about twice as likely as white Americans to know someone physically abused by police. 39% of African Americans know someone who has been physically mistreated by the police, as do 18% of whites and 27% of Hispanics.

Higher‐income African Americans report being stopped at about 1.5 times the rate of higher‐income white Americans. In contrast, lower income African Americans report being stopped only slightly more frequently than lower income white Americans.

65% think police officers regularly racially profile Americans and 63% oppose the practice.

58% say the US justice system fails to treat everyone equally before the law.

Nearly half (49%) of Americans say “most” police officers think they are “above the law.”

Nearly half (49%) of Americans say “most” police officers think they are “above the law.”

Although Americans have different perceptions about how the police actually do their jobs, majorities of black, white, and Hispanic Americans agree on what the top three priorities for the police should be: investigating violent crime (78%), protecting citizens from crime (64%), and investigating property crime (58%).

89% of Americans support police body cameras and slim majorities are willing to raise taxes pay for them (51%) and let police look at the footage before making official statements (52%). Three‐fourths also think body cameras protect both officers and citizens equally.
 
Good thoughts here. Police wear far too many hats. When I lived in Alaska, I would regularly see police officers overseeing the removal of large animal carcasses from the road. They would also respond every single time a poor driver slid off the road and into the ditch.

And it's not a one-size-fits-all-solution. A town of 1,000 people isn't going to have the luxury of a number of different positions when you often only have one officer on shift at a time. That same individual cleaning carcasses might be the only one who can respond to a guy holding up the one cafe in town or helping Old Man Jenkins with his dementia and locking his damn keys in his car.

Imagine if you were working at Chase Bank and had to know and answer every type of question that could come up about banking, credit cards, loans, etc. It's not possible. However, we can create positional flexibility which would everyone would benefit from.
 
And tax it. You want MJ, fine, you pay a tax like anything else.

I don’t want a junkie peddling speed outside of an elementary, but stop filling up the justice system with non-violent offenders.

The tax is a bad idea. None of the gov's business here.

All the tax and regulate ideas are bad.

Make a law that cuts to the chase directly. You sell stuff to minors that is harmful, you pay. You sell stuff to adults that is crap, see you in Court. Civil courts for damages you do. Criminal court if you get people harmed beyond what you can pay for. Addictions count as harm. Even booze. Even gambling.

For Gawd's sake, why can't people find worthwhile stuff to do. It's like we're all politicians at heart, wanting to do evil crap and sell evil stuff.
 
I get tired of stats pretty quick. I don't assume polls are very good, or that people are very good. Or that people or government will really find a better way. Most of the people using arguments about what is good, or popular, are being plain stupid, or pushing for something even dumber .... something they might imagine is going to be better. Easy to think something could be better especially the less you know about it.

Just look at what is, objectively. Adapt to it the best you can, practically.

We don't really want a society where majority rules, or where government does anything. We want to make all that unnecessary. respect for people's rights is a better way than any majority rule. Let people alone is better than any government project.

Power.... political power, is pandemic, not a solution.
 
There are many, many jurisdictions in the world where only a minority of officers carry guns.

Those officers are working in jurisdictions where citizens are much less likely to be armed. There are more guns than people here. Completely different than virtually anywhere in the world.
 
Those officers are working in jurisdictions where citizens are much less likely to be armed. There are more guns than people here. Completely different than virtually anywhere in the world.

Then get the guns out of the hands of the people. Or if it can't be done overnight, start now so it happens 30 years from now.
 
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