Please read this! SLC Dunk- Black Lives Matter

[One Brow]

He says that it is either primarily anecdotal or transparently motivated. You have evidence that proves that's a lie? I'd like to see it. Here is evidence that suggests the author of the letter is correct: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/puar.12956

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/puar.12956

Could you read the ****ing abstract to the paper, at the very least?

They find that although minority suspects are disproportionately killed by police, white officers appear to be no more likely to use lethal force against minorities than nonwhite officers

Right there "minority suspects are disproportionately killed by police". Do you think black people care if they are killed by black police instead of white police?

What the author does exceptionally well, though, is lay out the reasons that the strategy that BLM is pursuing is not what we need.

Sure, what the authors need is for all these angry people to go away, so nothing needs to change.

There is very compelling evidence that the welfare state approach does not work. It has never worked.

Sure. Tell that to England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, ...

 

[fishonjazz]

so it’s strictly skin color? Or is it culture to? Honest question. This is were things get convoluted to me.

By that metric George Floyd was killed for his skin color alone? Obviously not, again context matters. I can’t believe I have to say this but. You should never get to assault anyone for wearing any hat period. Just because you deem someone “racist” doesn’t give you the right to assault them.

It’s pretty simple let’s take all the evidence for each case of evil and prosecute accordingly.

I agree someone shouldn't get assaulted for wearing a hat. But you were acting like you getting assaulted for wearing a hat is the same thing as racism. It's not.

You are walking down the street as a white guy not getting assaulted. Then you are walking down the same street as a white wearing a maga hat and you do get assaulted. It was never about your race. It was about your hat showing support for a douchebag.

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[DasJazz]

Just to pick this one, in particular: MLK was a lightning rod. Kapernick was a lightning rod. There is no way to visible protest against racism that will not be considered a lightning rod. So, being a lightning rod is a badge of honor for BLM, not a mark of shame.



"Racist tendencies" would be close to 95%.

If it were truly 95% it would absolutely not be from the skin color that you are perpetuating it to be.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

6. ANTIFA and BLM are BOTH lightning rods for our race relations process. You don't believe me??? Look at your FB feed. Regardless of what you think of them personally, they both ignite the population, not comfort it.

I’m not too familiar with ANTIFA, but my understanding is they have the same goals as BLM but are aggressive and violent in their Mission in obtaining these goals am I correct?

 

[One Brow]

If it were truly 95% it would absolutely not be from the skin color that you are perpetuating it to be.

It's been years, if ever, since I thought racism came only from people of one particular skin color group. Black people can be just as racist to black people as anyone else.

 

[One Brow]

I’m not too familiar with ANTIFA, but my understanding is they have the same goals as BLM but are aggressive and violent in their Mission in obtaining these goals am I correct?

First, antifa are not in an organized group with organized goals. As Snopes recently put it, all they really have in common as a group is opposing fascism, usually by opposing state violence and discrimination.

Many are aggressive, and they to not swear to non-violence. However, almost always when there is violence, antifa are acting as a responder or protector, not an instigator.

Also, antifa stands for "anti-fascism", so if you were to use capitals, it would just be Antifa. However, since they are not in an organized group, I see even the capital "A" as misleading.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Could you read the ****ing abstract to the paper, at the very least?

They find that although minority suspects are disproportionately killed by police, white officers appear to be no more likely to use lethal force against minorities than nonwhite officers

Right there "minority suspects are disproportionately killed by police". Do you think black people care if they are killed by black police instead of white police?



Sure, what the authors need is for all these angry people to go away, so nothing needs to change.



Sure. Tell that to England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Iceland, ...

I read the abstract. Nobody denies that blacks are killed at a higher rate. The study I pointed to shows that they are not disproportionately killed by white police. That matters and is contrary to what a lot of people are saying. The next part of the equation is whether blacks are killed more often because of the color of their skin or because they are involved in violent crime more often. There are studies that show the latter to be the case. There are studies that show that economic strata is a larger factor in these sort of incidents than race is. My belief is that better education (I'm a fan of school vouchers) and greater economic opportunity are far more likely to solve the problem than welfare programs. There is lots of data that shows that the welfare state in impoverished neighborhoods bears great responsibility for the crime problem. Prior to the explosion of welfare programs beginning in the 60's black Americans were progressing economically faster than the general population by many measures. Since that time they have been falling behind the general population by many measures. All of this while immigrant black populations like Nigerians continue to do better than the general population and far better than the non-immigrant black population. But I'm not going to go round and round with you as I know you love to do because I long ago realized that your goals and mine are not in alignment at all. You appear to be in favor of the utopian idea of a society where everything is fair above all else. I am in favor of a world where people are incentivised and rewarded for their efforts to take charge of their own lives and make them better.

 

[DasJazz]

I read the abstract. Nobody denies that blacks are killed at a higher rate. The study I pointed to shows that they are not disproportionately killed by white police. That matters and is contrary to what a lot of people are saying. The next part of the equation is whether blacks are killed more often because of the color of their skin or because they are involved in violent crime more often. There are studies that show the latter to be the case. There are studies that show that economic strata is a larger factor in these sort of incidents than race is. My belief is that better education (I'm a fan of school vouchers) and greater economic opportunity are far more likely to solve the problem than welfare programs. There is lots of data that shows that the welfare state in impoverished neighborhoods bears great responsibility for the crime problem. Prior to the explosion of welfare programs beginning in the 60's black Americans were progressing economically faster than the general population by many measures. Since that time they have been falling behind the general population by many measures. All of this while immigrant black populations like Nigerians continue to do better than the general population and far better than the non-immigrant black population. But I'm not going to go round and round with you as I know you love to do because I long ago realized that your goals and mine are not in alignment at all. You appear to be in favor of the utopian idea of a society where everything is fair above all else. I am in favor of a world where people are incentivised and rewarded for their efforts to take charge of their own lives and make them better.

But, but, but, the narrative!

 

[One Brow]

I read the abstract. Nobody denies that blacks are killed at a higher rate. The study I pointed to shows that they are not disproportionately killed by white police.

You missed the words "just the", and in "they are not disproportionately killed by just the white police".

That matters and is contrary to what a lot of people are saying. The next part of the equation is whether blacks are killed more often because of the color of their skin or because they are involved in violent crime more often. There are studies that show the latter to be the case.

Please link to one, because the study you just linked to was saying the race of the officer is not a factor, and not talking about the race of the victim.

Except, you won't find one. You'll find studies that people claim say what you want them to say, only if you actually read the study, they never actually say that. Every single time, that's what happens.

There are studies that show that economic strata is a larger factor in these sort of incidents than race is.

This is likely true.

My belief is that better education (I'm a fan of school vouchers) ...

Vouchers do not lead to better educations.

The rest of your post reads like someone selectively believing studies that tell them what they want to hear.

You appear to be in favor of the utopian idea of a society where everything is fair above all else. I am in favor of a world where people are incentivised and rewarded for their efforts to take charge of their own lives and make them better.

I don't think fairness is something that can be measured, much less be possible. I don't expect utopia, and certainly utopia is not present in England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, etc. I think you find people very incentivised to improve their circumstances in England, France, Germany, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, etc. Why can they have both a decent social safety net and an ambitious populace, but not us?

 

[One Brow]

But, but, but, the narrative!

Narratives that guide social policy work better if they follow science and successful prior examples.

 

[Deleted member 95]

When you're quoting wingnut-welfare recipients to support positions that say racism does not need to be fought, what do you think that says about you?

Yeah no. Racism bad? Duh. No one is suggesting racism doesn't need to be fought, but its certainly not the issue you make it out to be in 2020. Police and crime statistics don't match your worldview pal. Well maybe in your warped mind the needs to defeat the white supremacist power hierarchy.

 

[Deleted member 95]

Institutional raciam has been tested, measured, and examined about as thoroughly on a scientific basis as any social phenomenon can be. To deny it is like denying the earth is round.

Let's see the studies then. I'd prefer them to not be created by indoctrinated woke social scientists though. Thnx in advanced bb.