Jazz Offense... Pretty Interesting Breakdown

[Handlogten's Heros]

https://www.nba.com/article/2020/06/17/schuhmann-film-study-utah-jazz

Schuhmann article breaking down our offense... thought it was pretty interesting. Some weird things to our offense that lead me to believe we could be even better with some tweaking and natural improvement from DM.

 

[NAOS]

The most relevant bits:


Donovan Mitchell leads the Jazz and ranks 13th in the league with 15.5 drives per game...

Only 45% of Mitchell's shots in the paint have come in the restricted area. That's the sixth-lowest rate among 161 players with at least 200 total shots in the paint and that matters because there's a big difference between shots in the restricted area (made 63% of the time league-wide) and shots elsewhere in the paint (40%).

Mitchell has also passed on only 29.1% of his drives, the third-lowest rate among the 65 players who've averaged at least eight drives per game. So defenses can feel somewhat comfortable committing to his attacks.

#floaterproblem
#passingproblem

 

[infection]

The most relevant bits:


Donovan Mitchell leads the Jazz and ranks 13th in the league with 15.5 drives per game...

Only 45% of Mitchell's shots in the paint have come in the restricted area. That's the sixth-lowest rate among 161 players with at least 200 total shots in the paint and that matters because there's a big difference between shots in the restricted area (made 63% of the time league-wide) and shots elsewhere in the paint (40%).

Mitchell has also passed on only 29.1% of his drives, the third-lowest rate among the 65 players who've averaged at least eight drives per game. So defenses can feel somewhat comfortable committing to his attacks.

#floaterproblem
#passingproblem

#gotthebiggestguyintheleaguestandingthereanddoesn'tevenneedanaccuratelobjusttossitsomewherebyhimproblem

 

[gomretat]

Very similar to some of the breakdown I have seen from Locke. I think Bogey being out may accentuate this but hopefully DM keeps getting better.

 

[Hekate]

#gotthebiggestguyintheleaguestandingthereanddoesn'tevenneedanaccuratelobjusttossitsomewherebyhimproblem

#butgobertdoesn'thaveapostgameandhefumblespassesswhilealsoleadingtheleagueineffectiveness

 

[Troat Guru]

#floaterproblem

I really don't remember: did he try such many floater also last year? Or he has turned to the dark side only this year since Mike "the floater king" Conley has joined him?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The most relevant bits:


Donovan Mitchell leads the Jazz and ranks 13th in the league with 15.5 drives per game...

Only 45% of Mitchell's shots in the paint have come in the restricted area. That's the sixth-lowest rate among 161 players with at least 200 total shots in the paint and that matters because there's a big difference between shots in the restricted area (made 63% of the time league-wide) and shots elsewhere in the paint (40%).

Mitchell has also passed on only 29.1% of his drives, the third-lowest rate among the 65 players who've averaged at least eight drives per game. So defenses can feel somewhat comfortable committing to his attacks.

#floaterproblem
#passingproblem

We are still a pretty high octane offense and I think we can realize more improvement on the defensive side of the ball, but I wonder if part of the reason he can't get all the way to the rim is the fact that he doesn't have a pick and pop partner. He needs to get better as a playmaker for sure. He needs to figure out the same timing and pace Joe has.

I do think at times Rudy has struggled to catch the ball, but we miss him a lot under the hoop (at least this year).

Overall the article gave me more hope. It also kinda led me to believe Mike is fairly irrelevant as a starter. I would like a do-over on that trade.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I really don't remember: did he try such many floater also last year? Or he has turned to the dark side only this year since Mike "the floater king" Conley has joined him?

He has an issue unrelated to Mike. He can't always get a shot off cleanly at the basket because he's not explosive off of one foot.

 

[Troat Guru]

He has an issue unrelated to Mike. He can't always get a shot off cleanly at the basket because he's not explosive off of one foot.

Idk if it is right, but I don't remember watching him trying so many floater last season; his floater attempts have grown up. This is what I can't understand.
Correct me if I'm in wrong.

 

[Shad]

The most relevant bits:


Donovan Mitchell leads the Jazz and ranks 13th in the league with 15.5 drives per game...

Only 45% of Mitchell's shots in the paint have come in the restricted area. That's the sixth-lowest rate among 161 players with at least 200 total shots in the paint and that matters because there's a big difference between shots in the restricted area (made 63% of the time league-wide) and shots elsewhere in the paint (40%).

Mitchell has also passed on only 29.1% of his drives, the third-lowest rate among the 65 players who've averaged at least eight drives per game. So defenses can feel somewhat comfortable committing to his attacks.

#floaterproblem
#passingproblem

He was also DEAD LAST in the NBA at finishing at the rim per 100 last year.

 

[fishonjazz]

We are still a pretty high octane offense and I think we can realize more improvement on the defensive side of the ball, but I wonder if part of the reason he can't get all the way to the rim is the fact that he doesn't have a pick and pop partner. He needs to get better as a playmaker for sure. He needs to figure out the same timing and pace Joe has.

I do think at times Rudy has struggled to catch the ball, but we miss him a lot under the hoop (at least this year).

Overall the article gave me more hope. It also kinda led me to believe Mike is fairly irrelevant as a starter. I would like a do-over on that trade.

That trade has been total crap so far. I was against it when it happened but I didn't expect to be this disappointed in how it turned out.
I thought he was too old, too small, and too overpaid. I thought he was still really good at basketball though.

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[Hekate]

It's a travesty that Rudy doesn't get his own paragraph for being the biggest cog in the system. This offense would not exist without him.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Idk if it is right, but I don't remember watching him trying so many floater last season; his floater attempts have grown up. This is what I can't understand.
Correct me if I'm in wrong.

He actually started the year using the 15-18 footer more... which is a good shot for him.. issue is you can't threaten the paint. His shot attempts in the 3-10 ft range and slightly down, but basically the same. He hasn't gotten as many shots at the rim. Overall I'm happy with his improvement this year... he's still so young. His biggest areas of needed improvement are playmaking and defense imo. He has tools to be a good/great defender and needs to turn a few of those floaters into kickouts to open shooters.

 

[NAOS]

We are still a pretty high octane offense and I think we can realize more improvement on the defensive side of the ball, but I wonder if part of the reason he can't get all the way to the rim is the fact that he doesn't have a pick and pop partner. He needs to get better as a playmaker for sure. He needs to figure out the same timing and pace Joe has.

I do think at times Rudy has struggled to catch the ball, but we miss him a lot under the hoop (at least this year).

Overall the article gave me more hope. It also kinda led me to believe Mike is fairly irrelevant as a starter. I would like a do-over on that trade.

That’s a very gentlemanly way to say it.

Donovan needs to get better at (a) playmaking and (b) figuring out how to take one or two more dribbles before he pulls up on his drives or just getting automatic with that 12’ pull-up jump shot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That trade has been total crap so far. I was against it when it happened but I didn't expect to be this disappointed in how it turned out.
I thought he was too old, too small, and too overpaid. I thought he was still really good at basketball though.

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So bad... I supported it at the time although I thought it was one pick too much. Obviously it was derailed by the virus when Conley was playing well... but it just doesn't seem to raise our offensive ceiling and makes us worse defensively.

I really wish we would have consider DM as a pseudo point guard and pushed Joe into the playmaking role with the starting lineup. That was how I felt midway through the last season. It gives us more size and we can allocate resources elsewhere.

I know @infection will tell me the fallacy in this thinking (the Dante Exum fallacy), but what I hope is Conley has a good run to end the season in this tournament and then we use his expiring to get other stuff that is needed. I just think the longer we go with the idea that DM needs a full time playmaking point guard next to him the longer we wait to realize his/the team's full potential. There aren't any big contracts I'd want to flip Mike for... but there might be a couple value deals that help us with our salary crunch and we can get maybe a long-term piece.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

That’s a very gentlemanly way to say it.

Donovan needs to get better at (a) playmaking and (b) figuring out how to take one or two more dribbles before he pulls up on his drives or just getting automatic with that 12’ pull-up jump shot.

I am a gentleman and a scholar.

I agree... I think he can do it. Passing is the last thing that comes imo… sometimes it never comes, but there is enough of a base there for me to believe he can get good at it.

He's good on the 15 footer and I think its really valuable... issue is we want to get into the teeth of the defense. A Nash dribble or even just a kickout to reset things when we are headed to floater city.

Or... one thing I have noticed with JC that I think DM could incorporate is just driving into the middle and stopping... body the guy out of the way and get a still bad shot but not horrible shot.

 

[rjfan]

That trade has been total crap so far. I was against it when it happened but I didn't expect to be this disappointed in how it turned out.
I thought he was too old, too small, and too overpaid. I thought he was still really good at basketball though.

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Tbh, if anything, in his section the text kinda teels me like, even as of highly overpaid, he's still quite good at basketball, at least on offense

Real problem lies on that (even more after other moves like Mudiay and later Clarkson) he's way redundant to our strenghts on offense and to our weakness on defense, while the trade cost and his salary makes it too costful to act (that another front office mistake).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Tbh, if anything, in his section the text kinda teels me like, even as of highly overpaid, he's still quite good at basketball, at least on offense

Real problem lies on that (even more after other moves like Mudiay and later Clarkson) he's way redundant to our strenghts on offense and to our weakness on defense, while the trade cost and his salary makes it too costful to act (that another front office mistake).

Right... he can put up big numbers as an lead option but doesn't raise our ceiling... because we have guys that can do it. I think Joe is better at getting Rudy involved and that seems to drive whether or not we get DPOY Rudy or just really good Rudy.

Its good to have some redundancy... but if it costs us in other areas of need with depth or better wings then it sucks. A miss by the FO made much worse by the fact that the virus sucks the benefit out of the trade.