What's new

Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

Or it's true. Probably a bit of both. I don't see a reason to pick on SLC more than OKC or Dallas. It's always always Utah. Always.

It's true 100% - but it's a small minority who talk big online.

Just like every other place in the world.

So people dissing on Utah read comment sections on Yahoo, YouTube, Twitter?

I guess I'm trying to convince myself that Utah isn't half as bad or behind as people would make you think. It's not Montana.
 
It's true 100% - but it's a small minority who talk big online.

Just like every other place in the world.

So people dissing on Utah read comment sections on Yahoo, YouTube, Twitter?

I guess I'm trying to convince myself that Utah isn't half as bad or behind as people would make you think. It's not Montana.

I'm not talking about comment sections. I'm talking about NBA players, analysts, reporters .... All putting their name behind their accusations.
 
IDK, but its not like OKC, Indianapolis, Minneapolis, Portland, Phoenix etc .... are much different than SLC and none of them have the rep SLC has. So it's coming from somewhere. Or its possible people hold SLC to a different standard due to the religious aspect.

It’s actually very prevalent here. As someone who supervised for a few years supervised football and basketball games on a nightly basis, it’s definitely here. It’s worse north of ogden and south of Payson. The worst was by far down in St George. Parents, players, coaches, all acting like a bunch of classless inbred racists. it’s definitely here.

When you take these prejudices and add the “us” vs “them” mentality and something that gives them adrenaline and dopamine (like sports), people become unbelievable in their behavior.

For those of you who doubt what I say, I encourage you to volunteer at your local high school. They’re always needing help. Volunteer to supervise the stadium or take tickets. You’ll be astonished in just one game at the racist and all around obnoxious things grown adults will say.

I have no doubt that the things journalists, players, coaches, etc say about our crowd are true. We are one of the loudest and most obnoxious crowds in the NBA. That comes with some pros and definitely some cons.
 
It’s actually very prevalent here. As someone who supervised for a few years supervised football and basketball games on a nightly basis, it’s definitely here. It’s worse north of ogden and south of Payson. The worst was by far down in St George. Parents, players, coaches, all acting like a bunch of classless inbred racists. it’s definitely here.

When you take these prejudices and add the “us” vs “them” mentality and something that gives them adrenaline and dopamine (like sports), people become unbelievable in their behavior.

For those of you who doubt what I say, I encourage you to volunteer at your local high school. They’re always needing help. Volunteer to supervise the stadium or take tickets. You’ll be astonished in just one game at the racist and all around obnoxious things grown adults will say.

I have no doubt that the things journalists, players, coaches, etc say about our crowd are true. We are one of the loudest and most obnoxious crowds in the NBA. That comes with some pros and definitely some cons.

That's literally what I just said. It's obviously prevelant here because other backwoods, boring ***, white, places don't have the rep SLC has.
 
I'm not talking about comment sections. I'm talking about NBA players, analysts, reporters .... All putting their name behind their accusations.

The whole Russell Westbrook thing put the whole state of Utah in a bad place. Russell Westbrook has a track record. He got into it with a fan. The fan said something homophobic (get on your knees - if I remember) and Westbrook then threatened the guy and his wife and said he'd **** them up.

Was Westbrook really a victim to a racist? Maybe. From the video I've seen? No. Westbrook literally threatened a lady who was next to a douchebag trash talker.

I'm not protecting the guy. I'm just saying what my perspective on what happened.
 
The whole Russell Westbrook thing put the whole state of Utah in a bad place. Russell Westbrook has a track record. He got into it with a fan. The fan said something homophobic (get on your knees - if I remember) and Westbrook then threatened the guy and his wife and said he'd **** them up.

Was Westbrook really a victim to a racist? Maybe. From the video I've seen? No. Westbrook literally threatened a lady who was next to a douchebag trash talker.

I'm not protecting the guy. I'm just saying what my perspective on what happened.

Russ is a dick, but pretty much everything I've heard from and about the fan is he is also full of **** and is a dick. So not sure who to believe.
 
It’s actually very prevalent here. As someone who supervised for a few years supervised football and basketball games on a nightly basis, it’s definitely here. It’s worse north of ogden and south of Payson. The worst was by far down in St George. Parents, players, coaches, all acting like a bunch of classless inbred racists. it’s definitely here.

When you take these prejudices and add the “us” vs “them” mentality and something that gives them adrenaline and dopamine (like sports), people become unbelievable in their behavior.

For those of you who doubt what I say, I encourage you to volunteer at your local high school. They’re always needing help. Volunteer to supervise the stadium or take tickets. You’ll be astonished in just one game at the racist and all around obnoxious things grown adults will say.

I have no doubt that the things journalists, players, coaches, etc say about our crowd are true. We are one of the loudest and most obnoxious crowds in the NBA. That comes with some pros and definitely some cons.

I was a recreation coordinator for one of the largest cities in Utah. I never heard one racist thing during the 3 years I did it.

Now, if you wanna talk about sexist people and how softball players and parents are the ****ing worst, let's talk.

Maybe I'm missing things and have on rose colored glasses. It sucks way worse there are racists in Utah than how many say there are.
 
Russ is a dick, but pretty much everything I've heard from and about the fan is he is also full of **** and is a dick. So not sure who to believe.

I agree. The fan had racist tweets.

The video backed what he and Westbrook said. The part that was racist was the guy using the term boy. I had no idea it was racist up until that incident.

That guy does not represent Utah nor does Westbrook represent the NBA. If the guy called Westbrook something blatantly racist, then **** that guy, I'm with Westbrook - get on your knees is an universal insult though.
 
When we all gonna realize humanity, the world, existence is still in its infancy?


Dumb af to expect everyone to know history and culture. It's dumb not to too.


Keep virtue signaling. You're grandparents were racists.
 
When we all gonna realize humanity, the world, existence is still in its infancy?


Dumb af to expect everyone to know history and culture. It's dumb not to too.


Keep virtue signaling. You're grandparents were racists.

I’m very surprised you didn’t know “boy” is racist in tone. You never saw 48 Hours? Great, great flick. Imagine that being made today lmao.
 
This again, was a number of years back, but One of my friends who teaches in Jordan had a parent email him about wanting to educate his class about the Stars and Bars. She claimed that it didn’t represent racism and that the south gets a bad rap because slavery taught Africans about god and how to govern and now their descendants enjoy the freedoms of modern-day America.

I’ll be honest, I bet at least half of Utahns polled probably would agree with that. I can’t tell you how often I’ve heard at church that blacks have it good now that they live in modern-day America and are given an advantage with affirmative action.

Anyone else remember this? This was just in 2012, so not even very long ago at one of the two major institutions in the state:

https://www.heraldextra.com/news/lo...cle_7839e140-3e35-5b59-bbc4-3331e6d3d4c3.html
In a Washington Post article in February about Mitt Romney's presidential candidacy, Bott was quoted by reporter Jason Horowitz as saying that the denial of the Mormon priesthood to blacks on Earth -- although not in the afterlife -- protected them from the lowest rungs of hell reserved for people who abuse their priesthood powers.

"You couldn't fall off the top of the ladder, because you weren't on the top of the ladder. So, in reality the blacks not having the priesthood was the greatest blessing God could give them."

Racism is just so entrenched in this state. It’s just a little more subtle and entrenched in the dominant religion so much that those belonging to the church often don’t recognize it. Utah was the last state to recognize MLK day:

https://localtvkstu.wordpress.com/2...to-name-mlk-day-and-it-came-close-to-failing/

A big reason why? The state’s dominant religion was working against civil rights for most of the past century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights_and_Mormonism

The church also advocated for segregation laws and enforced segregation in its facilities. Hotel Utah, a church-run hotel, banned black guests, even when other hotels made exceptions for black celebrities.[30] Blacks were prohibited from performing in the Salt Lake Tabernacle, and the Deseret News did not allow black people to appear in photographs with white people. Church leaders urged white members to join civic groups and opened up LDS chapels "for meetings to prevent Negroes from becoming neighbors", even after a 1948 Supreme Court decision against racial covenants in housing. They counseled members to buy homes so black people wouldn't move next to LDS chapels.[1]:67 In the 1950s, the San Francisco mission office took legal action to prevent black families from moving into the church neighborhood.[31] A black man living in Salt Lake City, Daily Oliver, described how, as a boy in the 1910s, he was excluded from an LDS-led boy scout troop because they did not want blacks in their building.[32][33]

In 1959, the Utah State Advisory Committee to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights stated that: "the Negro is the minority citizen who experiences the most widespread inequality in Utah. The exact extent of his mistreatment is almost impossible to ascertain", explaining that 'Mormon interpretation attributes birth into any race other than the white race as a result of inferior performance in a pre-earth life and teaches that by righteous living, the dark-skinned races may again become 'white and delightsome."

And many top leaders thought the civil rights movement was a front for communism. Doesn't Ezra Taft Benson’s views sound familiar with some of the anti BLM rhetoric we hear today?

In the October 1967 General Conference Apostle Ezra Benson declared that the civil rights movement was a tool of Communist revolutionaries, and that it was led by mostly white male Communists who want to "destroy America by spilling Negro blood". He also stated that accusing law enforcement of "police brutality" against black people should be recognized as attempts to discredit and discourage law enforcement.

he even wrote a book denouncing the civil rights movement.

Amazon product ASIN B0007FRU42My point in bringing this all up isn’t to bash any (my) religion or state. I’m personally encouraged by Pres Nelson’s efforts to reach out to the black community. His words about racists needing to repent was right on the money.

My point in bringing this up is to understand, we are merely 60ish years removed from this. Many who grew up with Pres Nelson grew up believing that blacks were inferior. Many of the people who grew up during this time are the ones who established the current racist institutions and policies we are dealing with today. Of course we should expect pushback from white people who don’t feel like they’re racist or Claim to not support racism but only “blue lives.” Of course we should expect minorities to be lacking trust and struggling in a society purposely geared to jeep them down. I think there is great need to understand history and learn about the institutions and policies, and work to change them for a more equitable society.

People in our state could benefit by listening to people like JJ or Spida instead of always reacting in a defensive manner.

I Don’t claim to know much about racism. I do however understand the privilege that exists. I’ve studied the institutions of privilege. So that’s why I think it’s wise to listen to groups like BLM and individuals like Spida who provide the state with a much needed voice.
 
Last edited:
It 100% may be to Russell as it 100% may be to the guy flinging it.

I never knew until I educated myself.

Point.
Right, I wasn't trying to call you out at all, I was just saying that if common racist tropes weren't familiar to you then it's possible other racist incidents flew under your radar. I'm glad you've taken some time to educate yourself.
 
Right, I wasn't trying to call you out at all, I was just saying that if common racist tropes weren't familiar to you then it's possible other racist incidents flew under your radar. I'm glad you've taken some time to educate yourself.
Bro, I grew up in a broken home, and dyslexic in Utah.

If you're gonna try and shame me for my ignorance of "boy" then it says more about you than me or my family you virtue signaling dude.

How dare my family not know a racist term because they weren't racist


Gtfoh
 


These are the types of things that are going to become more commonplace with the level of racial tension in our country.


Disgusting. Arrest and prosecute.

but I can’t help but notice trump and Matt walsh have tweeted this video. I can’t help but wonder if there’s an agenda here. After all, the president wouldn’t be trying to distract, would he? Matt Walsh wouldn’t be trying to engage in whataboutism to distract from legitimate issues surrounding racism and police brutality, would he?

at any rate, no excuse to assault an employee. I hope they find those guys and prosecute him. Hope the employee is given a huge bonus. No one should endure that.
 
Is anyone else asking yourself where all of these racist assholes are coming from? In my experience (obviously, take it for what it's worth) living in Utah, I can't think of hardly any people I'd say are openly or knowingly racist. I can think of a ton that are simple minded and ignorant/tone deaf of the issues at hand. Like, they honestly treat others and see others as the same, no matter the color and so they take issue with some of the narrative. That doesn't, imo, make them racist and call for condemnation or make Utah such a terrible place. It means Utahn's are ignorant to issues they're foreign to.

I think understanding and educating people from all walks of life goes way further with actually helping society than condemning others - unless it's coming from the extreme of extreme who can go **** themselves e.g. white supremacists/any hate group.

I hope what I'm saying makes sense cause I know someone is gonna be a virtue signaler and say I'm so dumb. Predictable.
I've seen it a bunch in Utah. I was a truck driver and I also managed a mechanic shop. I was shocked what people said and how aggressively they stuck to it. There are a lot more of it. Once I heard them talking it was much easier to here other people talking more subtle in public and realize what they meant. When I grew up in Provo the N word was common and normal, I'm not that old. Utah has lots of racism a lot of it stemming from LDS which has a long racist history.
 
Top