Tough Day To Be In Law Enforcement

[Deleted member 365]

This again, was a number of years back, but One of my friends who teaches in Jordan had a parent email him about wanting to educate his class about the Stars and Bars. She claimed that it didn’t represent racism and that the south gets a bad rap because slavery taught Africans about god and how to govern and now their descendants enjoy the freedoms of modern-day America.

I’ll be honest, I bet at least half of Utahns polled probably would agree with that. I can’t tell you how often I’ve heard at church that blacks have it good now that they live in modern-day America and are given an advantage with affirmative action.

Anyone else remember this? This was just in 2012, so not even very long ago at one of the two major institutions in the state:

https://www.heraldextra.com/news/lo...cle_7839e140-3e35-5b59-bbc4-3331e6d3d4c3.html

In a Washington Post article in February about Mitt Romney's presidential candidacy, Bott was quoted by reporter Jason Horowitz as saying that the denial of the Mormon priesthood to blacks on Earth -- although not in the afterlife -- protected them from the lowest rungs of hell reserved for people who abuse their priesthood powers.

"You couldn't fall off the top of the ladder, because you weren't on the top of the ladder. So, in reality the blacks not having the priesthood was the greatest blessing God could give them."

Racism is just so entrenched in this state. It’s just a little more subtle and entrenched in the dominant religion so much that those belonging to the church often don’t recognize it. Utah was the last state to recognize MLK day:

https://localtvkstu.wordpress.com/2...to-name-mlk-day-and-it-came-close-to-failing/

A big reason why? The state’s dominant religion was working against civil rights for most of the past century:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_rights_and_Mormonism

The church also advocated for segregation laws and enforced segregation in its facilities. Hotel Utah, a church-run hotel, banned black guests, even when other hotels made exceptions for black celebrities.[30] Blacks were prohibited from performing in the Salt Lake Tabernacle, and the Deseret News did not allow black people to appear in photographs with white people. Church leaders urged white members to join civic groups and opened up LDS chapels "for meetings to prevent Negroes from becoming neighbors", even after a 1948 Supreme Court decision against racial covenants in housing. They counseled members to buy homes so black people wouldn't move next to LDS chapels.[1]:67 In the 1950s, the San Francisco mission office took legal action to prevent black families from moving into the church neighborhood.[31] A black man living in Salt Lake City, Daily Oliver, described how, as a boy in the 1910s, he was excluded from an LDS-led boy scout troop because they did not want blacks in their building.[32][33]

In 1959, the Utah State Advisory Committee to the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights stated that: "the Negro is the minority citizen who experiences the most widespread inequality in Utah. The exact extent of his mistreatment is almost impossible to ascertain", explaining that 'Mormon interpretation attributes birth into any race other than the white race as a result of inferior performance in a pre-earth life and teaches that by righteous living, the dark-skinned races may again become 'white and delightsome."

And many top leaders thought the civil rights movement was a front for communism. Doesn't Ezra Taft Benson’s views sound familiar with some of the anti BLM rhetoric we hear today?

In the October 1967 General Conference Apostle Ezra Benson declared that the civil rights movement was a tool of Communist revolutionaries, and that it was led by mostly white male Communists who want to "destroy America by spilling Negro blood". He also stated that accusing law enforcement of "police brutality" against black people should be recognized as attempts to discredit and discourage law enforcement.

he even wrote a book denouncing the civil rights movement.

Amazon product ASIN B0007FRU42My point in bringing this all up isn’t to bash any (my) religion or state. I’m personally encouraged by Pres Nelson’s efforts to reach out to the black community. His words about racists needing to repent was right on the money.

My point in bringing this up is to understand, we are merely 60ish years removed from this. Many who grew up with Pres Nelson grew up believing that blacks were inferior. Many of the people who grew up during this time are the ones who established the current racist institutions and policies we are dealing with today. Of course we should expect pushback from white people who don’t feel like they’re racist or Claim to not support racism but only “blue lives.” Of course we should expect minorities to be lacking trust and struggling in a society purposely geared to jeep them down. I think there is great need to understand history and learn about the institutions and policies, and work to change them for a more equitable society.

People in our state could benefit by listening to people like JJ or Spida instead of always reacting in a defensive manner.

I Don’t claim to know much about racism. I do however understand the privilege that exists. I’ve studied the institutions of privilege. So that’s why I think it’s wise to listen to groups like BLM and individuals like Spida who provide the state with a much needed voice.

 

[Zombie]

It 100% may be to Russell as it 100% may be to the guy flinging it.

I never knew until I educated myself.

Point.

Right, I wasn't trying to call you out at all, I was just saying that if common racist tropes weren't familiar to you then it's possible other racist incidents flew under your radar. I'm glad you've taken some time to educate yourself.

 

[Archie Moses]

I’m very surprised you didn’t know “boy” is racist in tone. You never saw 48 Hours? Great, great flick. Imagine that being made today lmao.

I 100% wish I did and I knew.

I 100% didn't.

We're fighting the same fight, dude.


We grew up in different places.

 

[Archie Moses]

Right, I wasn't trying to call you out at all, I was just saying that if common racist tropes weren't familiar to you then it's possible other racist incidents flew under your radar. I'm glad you've taken some time to educate yourself.

Bro, I grew up in a broken home, and dyslexic in Utah.

If you're gonna try and shame me for my ignorance of "boy" then it says more about you than me or my family you virtue signaling dude.

How dare my family not know a racist term because they weren't racist


Gtfoh

 

[Zombie]

Bro, I grew up in a broken home, and dyslexic in Utah.

If you're gonna try and shame me for my ignorance of "boy" then it says more about you than me or my family you virtue signaling dude.

How dare my family not know a racist term because they weren't racist


Gtfoh

Weird response.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

These are the types of things that are going to become more commonplace with the level of racial tension in our country.

 

[Deleted member 365]

These are the types of things that are going to become more commonplace with the level of racial tension in our country.

Disgusting. Arrest and prosecute.

but I can’t help but notice trump and Matt walsh have tweeted this video. I can’t help but wonder if there’s an agenda here. After all, the president wouldn’t be trying to distract, would he? Matt Walsh wouldn’t be trying to engage in whataboutism to distract from legitimate issues surrounding racism and police brutality, would he?

at any rate, no excuse to assault an employee. I hope they find those guys and prosecute him. Hope the employee is given a huge bonus. No one should endure that.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Is anyone else asking yourself where all of these racist assholes are coming from? In my experience (obviously, take it for what it's worth) living in Utah, I can't think of hardly any people I'd say are openly or knowingly racist. I can think of a ton that are simple minded and ignorant/tone deaf of the issues at hand. Like, they honestly treat others and see others as the same, no matter the color and so they take issue with some of the narrative. That doesn't, imo, make them racist and call for condemnation or make Utah such a terrible place. It means Utahn's are ignorant to issues they're foreign to.

I think understanding and educating people from all walks of life goes way further with actually helping society than condemning others - unless it's coming from the extreme of extreme who can go **** themselves e.g. white supremacists/any hate group.

I hope what I'm saying makes sense cause I know someone is gonna be a virtue signaler and say I'm so dumb. Predictable.

I've seen it a bunch in Utah. I was a truck driver and I also managed a mechanic shop. I was shocked what people said and how aggressively they stuck to it. There are a lot more of it. Once I heard them talking it was much easier to here other people talking more subtle in public and realize what they meant. When I grew up in Provo the N word was common and normal, I'm not that old. Utah has lots of racism a lot of it stemming from LDS which has a long racist history.

 

[Deleted member 365]

I've seen it a bunch in Utah. I was a truck driver and I also managed a mechanic shop. I was shocked what people said and how aggressively they stuck to it. There are a lot more of it. Once I heard them talking it was much easier to here other people talking more subtle in public and realize what they meant. When I grew up in Provo the N word was common and normal, I'm not that old. Utah has lots of racism a lot of it stemming from LDS which has a long racist history.

I grew up in Orem so basically Provo and I agree with this. The thing that shocked me was moving to a part in Sandy. We would hear all the time about “those people” or “that type of community” and “so glad we live in a white and wholesome neighborhood.” (Not joking this was actually said at a school community council). So even when the n word isn’t used, the overt racism is just stunning.

I served for 2 years in community council and I remember once bringing up during a meeting the need for greater outreach to our middle and lower income families as all the school community council members were white and very affluent. Obviously, not all populations of our school community were being represented so I had hoped this would helpful and we could discuss ways for greater outreach.

I ran into a buzz saw as several members argued and basically said, “well they know when these meetings are so maybe those people just don’t want to join. We all have to make sacrifices and so if those people want to join then they too need to make sacrifices.” It was bad. Eye opening. To be fair, a few members agreed with me and said that they’d update the website and send some emails out. But I was surprised at the comments others members were making and the general refusal to want to include others.

Then again it shouldn’t have surprised me. It wasn’t until 1979 that the LDS church permitted blacks to have the priesthood. So most of the adults in the room had grown up believing that blacks were inferior to whites. It takes time for these prejudices to be eliminated.

 

[Archie Moses]

Weird response.

You're right. I should have been taught "boy" was racist when I was a kid.


I was being hyperbolic and drunk.


Burn the witch

I'm gonna log out now.

 

[Archie Moses]

I've seen it a bunch in Utah. I was a truck driver and I also managed a mechanic shop. I was shocked what people said and how aggressively they stuck to it. There are a lot more of it. Once I heard them talking it was much easier to here other people talking more subtle in public and realize what they meant. When I grew up in Provo the N word was common and normal, I'm not that old. Utah has lots of racism a lot of it stemming from LDS which has a long racist history.

I'm not gonna argue you this at all. My step mom, from Mississippi, once called one of my best friends the n word while he was hiding in the garage. As a kid, it broke me. I wasn't allowed to wear hats in my home nor was I allowed to have friends at my house.

The few times I snuck a friend home, this happened.


My experience with people from Provo isn't what I experienced.

The religion you speak of was 100% racist but never once taught me racism but love. People **** on Mormons but name me 1 other religion that's evolving like them?

Maybe I'm drunk.

 

[AlaskanAssassin]

Disgusting. Arrest and prosecute.

but I can’t help but notice trump and Matt walsh have tweeted this video. I can’t help but wonder if there’s an agenda here. After all, the president wouldn’t be trying to distract, would he? Matt Walsh wouldn’t be trying to engage in whataboutism to distract from legitimate issues surrounding racism and police brutality, would he?

at any rate, no excuse to assault an employee. I hope they find those guys and prosecute him. Hope the employee is given a huge bonus. No one should endure that.

I understand the skepticism considering who is sharing this content, but I think everyone needs to move past this way of thinking. We need to just review information ourselves and be able to critically think and analyze situations. We don't need Cenk Uygur, Ben Shapiro, Kyle Kulinksi, Matt Walsh, etc. to tell us how to think. These people are just entertainers. Hopefully we are all trying to listen to a variety of people and perspectives to avoid group think.

That being said, I think it's fair to ask why this video has received virtually no national news coverage. Isn't this a blatantly racist attack? The attacker and guy holding the phone admitted as much on Twitter. Remember, media companies are businesses first, and they are making too much money off the racial unrest to jeopardize it by sharing these types of stories.