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I'm not saying there is no downside to marijuana and marijuana use I'm saying there is no downside to legalizing it.I think saying there is no downside is a stretch but it's definitely far less dangerous and impactful than tobacco. Legalize it and tax the hell out of it, just like tobacco.
You want less kids doing it? Legalize it then. It's much easier to get weed than it is to get alcohol if you're a kid.
You want less kids even trying it? Well a lot if kids try it because it's illegal. It's taboo. It's rebellious. So legalize it. Make is less cool/taboo.
I mean can anyone think of a single downside? I would love to hear one.
Alcohol prohibition versus weed prohibition is apples to oranges imo. Weed is simply easier to to transport and distribute and make. When alcohol was made illegal less people used it cause it was harder to get. Anyone who wants some weed right now can get it. I don't think legalizing weed will increase consumption because anyone who wants to cosume it right now easily can. In fact, due to taxing it, weed will likely be more expensive when legal therefore causing people to use it less. I disagree that more people would drive high. There is nothing stopping them from driving high while it's illegal. Also when it's legal I would think that better training for cops to detect a weed DUI would occur, there would be better equipment (ala breathalyzers for alcohol) to detect intoxication levels of weed, there would be more advertisements discouraging smoking and driving (like there are for drinking and driving).It doesn't work that way. Alcohol consumption dropped during Prohibition, and there is every reason to think legalizing cannabis will/does increase consumption, including among kids. This is not an argument for keeping it illegal, just pointing out these two positions are false.
There will also be an increase in people driving under the influence of cannabis.
That said, the negatives do not outweigh the positives.
While the number of people who consumed alcohol went down somewhat, the amount people who continued to drink consumed went up. Not only did their consumption go up, but prohibition significantly changed drinking culture in ways we still see today. Under prohibition beer and wine use decreased significantly while hard alcohol became the primary type of alcohol people consumed. Into the 50s and 60s hard alcohol consumption remained far more popular than it was pre-prohibition.It doesn't work that way. Alcohol consumption dropped during Prohibition, and there is every reason to think legalizing cannabis will/does increase consumption, including among kids. This is not an argument for keeping it illegal, just pointing out these two positions are false.
There will also be an increase in people driving under the influence of cannabis.
That said, the negatives do not outweigh the positives.
Good post and I want to reiterate that I don't think weed is harmless. I think many people are better off not using it.While the number of people who consumed alcohol went down somewhat, the amount people who continued to drink consumption went up. Not only did their consumption go up, but prohibition significantly changed drinking culture in ways we still see today. Under prohibition beer and wine use decreased significantly while hard alcohol became the primary type of alcohol people consumed. Into the 50s and 60s hard alcohol consumption remained far more popular than it was pre-prohibition.
Likewise, we're seeing significant changes in the way people consume cannabis now that there are established legal markets. Edibles, vapes and tinctures are probably more popular now than smoking "flowers," aka the marijuana buds.
There has also been a decrease in the (mis)use of prescription opioids in places where cannabis is legal and I'll have to check, but I think overall drinking declines a bit along with a decline in drunk driving. Driving while high is NOT a good thing, but it's not as bad a thing as driving while very drunk.
But I've never been one to say marijuana is harmless. I think many people significantly underestimate its harmful effects while at the same time dramatically inflating its beneficial qualities.
I think this is an almost entirely false and/or misleading statement. Maybe you can explain it in a more substantial way?@JazzGal Cannabis tends to allows it's user to be less influenced by society, media, laws, group think etc.. - which authorities condones most those who aren't easily controlled. Cannabis can be a highly spiritually awakening aid. Something laughed at by many atheists who look to Government as their creator.
Ya I'm with ya. That was a confusing postI think this is an almost entirely false and/or misleading statement. Maybe you can explain it in a more substantial way?
How does cannabis allow users to be less influenced by society, media, laws, group think? I've never noticed this tendency in myself or anyone else I've known who have used cannabis... and most people I've known have used cannabis either very regularly or at least did for some amount of time.
Please explain what you mean by "which authorities condones most those who aren't easily controlled." I assume this is a bit of a type-o and you meant condemns instead of condones, but regardless, this is a very 2-dimensional way of thinking about "authority."
I've never known cannabis to provide much spiritual awakening. I mean, I can imagine for some entering into the culture that cannabis is part of could have that effect in a more general way that being high might help to make "click" for a person whom is transitioning between very different cultural/social situations. But being high on pot is not like being on shrooms, or MDMA or acid. Many people act like it is sort of like that, but it really isn't in pretty much anyone I've ever known.
I don't know a single atheist who think the government is their creator.
I have no idea.Has this forum ever reached a consensus about anything ?
Wow!
So why isn't legalization apart of either of the major two political platforms?
There are still a lot that would vote against it. The reason you don't see it on the political platforms is because it is too divisive right now so no one wants to touch it. You'd get the old white guys go out to vote it down and the supporters... Wait that was today? Aww man. But I was sooooo baked! Right? Yeah man, yeah.I have no idea.
And furthermore, I think America should use the Democratic process better. Wouldn't it be nice if the legalisation of marijuana could simply be put to a vote?
I can guarantee that the majority would vote to legalize.
And to your point, any politician running for any office could grab a bunch of votes very easily simply by declaring that they would fight to legalize it.
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